Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein-Ingram Trade Inevitable| LAL Want Lebron Back On Any Terms

[omahen]

Atlanta are world class idiots if they will sell Murray for one FRP. They just paid 3 FRP for him. A borderline all star on a team-friendly deal locked up long-term should be in discussions for at least 3 FRP. Or you keep him.

I would test Martin for 1 SRP. He fills the need as a big wing. Probably not a long-term solution, but perhaps Mavs can resign him to a team friendly deal next season.

[SleepingHero]

NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral)
The Hawks have made Saddiq Bey available for trade, per @BrettSiegelNBA

[omahen]

I will really admire Lakers if they pull the Murray deal with just one pick and crappy Russell deal.

[omahen]

I just don't understand the Murray situation. Yes, it didn't work with Trae. His defensive impact is not as it has been, not sure how much is on him and how much on Atlanta. But, he is still a very good player on a very good deal. Efficient 20+ ppg, can create, can pass. Just started his prime years. Definitely at least in the same class as Grant or Kuzma. How is it possible Atlanta is even considering trashy LA offer? Even, if they can get some sucker to pay a lottery protected FRP for Russell (which I doubt). Everyone would laugh on this board if Mavs would be offering 2027 and THJ, which is basically equivalent to what Lakers are offering.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

^ Must be like the KP situation in Dallas. (whatever that situation was)

You are right. It doesn’t make any sense on the surface.

[KillerLeft]

NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral)
The Hawks have made Saddiq Bey available for trade, per @BrettSiegelNBA

I would take him in a heartbeat, if the price was right. I haven’t given up on him at all.

[omahen]

^ Must be like the KP situation in Dallas. (whatever that situation was)

You are right.  It doesn’t make any sense on the surface.

KP was always injured, which is not the case with Murray. He was also on a larger contract (with lower cap in previous years). Murray is paid less than 30 mil per (starting at 25 next year) for next four years.

[KillerLeft]

Do we know or trust a guy named Jake weinbach? He’s on Twitter saying Dallas is looking to nab one of the following “Realistic targets”:

Jerami Grant
Kyle Kuzma (gross)
Daniel Gafford
PJ Washington
Isaiah Stewart
Chris Boucher

[omahen]

I would take him in a heartbeat, if the price was right. I haven’t given up on him at all.

He will demand an extension next season, probably at least MLE level. I haven't watched him last two years, but Hawks fans think he is worse defender than Trae. Shooting just 31 % from three this season (35 % career average). Not really much there that would convince me, even if he is available more or less for free

[Chicagojk]

Atlanta are world class idiots if they will sell Murray for one FRP. They just paid 3 FRP for him. A borderline all star on a team-friendly deal locked up long-term should be in discussions for at least 3 FRP. Or you keep him.

I would test Martin for 1 SRP. He fills the need as a big wing. Probably not a long-term solution, but perhaps Mavs can resign him to a team friendly deal next season.

You would think.  LAL tend to fall into these trades though.

As you say with him on a long team friendly contract, it should open up many more potential trade options.   That LAL laker offer should be beat pretty easily imo.

[omahen]

Do we know or trust a guy named Jake weinbach? He’s on Twitter saying Dallas is looking to nab one of the following “Realistic targets”:

Jerami Grant
Kyle Kuzma (gross)
Daniel Gafford
PJ Washington
Isaiah Stewart
Chris Boucher

I can't say a word about his credibility. A pretty wide range of "realistic". I am sure Mavs can pull deals for Boucher, Stewart, Washington and Gafford with what they have. Not sure I would like the deal, though. None of them is imho a difference maker, just another 5-8 rotation player and Mavs have plenty of those as it is. I am not considering more than a couple of second rounders for such players.

[mvossman]

I just don't understand the Murray situation. Yes, it didn't work with Trae. His defensive impact is not as it has been, not sure how much is on him and how much on Atlanta. But, he is still a very good player on a very good deal. Efficient 20+ ppg, can create, can pass. Just started his prime years. Definitely at least in the same class as Grant or Kuzma. How is it possible Atlanta is even considering trashy LA offer? Even, if they can get some sucker to pay a lottery protected FRP for Russell (which I doubt). Everyone would laugh on this board if Mavs would be offering 2027 and THJ, which is basically equivalent to what Lakers are offering.

I would argue he is significantly better than Grant or Kuzma.  If there is any chance he can be had for one first, Mavs should be at the table with theirs unprotected and whatever else they can toss in there.

[mvossman]

I can't say a word about his credibility. A pretty wide range of "realistic". I am sure Mavs can pull deals for Boucher, Stewart, Washington and Gafford with what they have. Not sure I would like the deal, though. None of them is imho a difference maker, just another 5-8 rotation player and Mavs have plenty of those as it is. I am not considering more than a couple of second rounders for such players.

Yeah, if we could get one of those last three without giving up a first or Omax, I probably do it.  Boucher doesn't belong on that list.  He is 31 and has not been good for a while.

[Chicagojk]

I think if Dallas were to make a trade that Atlanta would be pretty high on the potential team. I just don't know how Dallas makes a deal with no expirings and probably not a player they would want to give up a first for. For instance, Capela. At this point, I don't think Capela is worth our 27 first. if not, what else could Dallas offer. Hardaway seems more important that him right now. Could you get Capela plus AJ Griffin for Hardaway and something? Does that make Dallas any better or does it make them worse?

[omahen]

I would argue he is significantly better than Grant or Kuzma.  If there is any chance he can be had for one first, Mavs should be at the table with theirs unprotected and whatever else they can toss in there.

He is definitely not a good fit next to Luka and Kyrie. Rumor is he prefers to be a PG, good luck with that in Dallas. Even if Mavs would be building long term with Luka and Murray (moving on from Kyrie at some point), he might not like it. Hawks board thinks his defensive issues are because he needs to guard larger players, because Trae is on smaller ones. He would have same issue in Dallas, as long as Kyrie is here. Could fit great without Kyrie.

But, at that price... Makes me consider it big time.

[omahen]

Yeah, if we could get one of those last three without giving up a first or Omax, I probably do it.  Boucher doesn't belong on that list.  He is 31 and has not been good for a while.

I always liked Boucher, perhaps he just plays well against Mavs. But I am ok if the move is Holmes and a second rounder. Better positional fit for us, more or less same expiring contract next season. I wouldn't be surprised if something like that is what Mavs will do in the end. Not enough assets for the good players, the rest probably not worth the cost.

[Mavs2021]

He will demand an extension next season, probably at least MLE level. I haven't watched him last two years, but Hawks fans think he is worse defender than Trae. Shooting just 31 % from three this season (35 % career average). Not really much there that would convince me, even if he is available more or less for free

We said the same about John Collins.

Looked into the Hawks on/off numbers a bit and Capela seems the common denominator for all their bad five man units.  He certainly does not function in small ball units, which we specialize in. On the other hand Bey works really well with Bogdanovic, Young and Murray. Also he´s a RFA. I doubt he´ll get more than Green, so question is what you pay and what you are willing to pay going forward. 

Ultimately with ourlimited  assets we have to focus on players like Bey. I also would like to sign or acquire all the guys that are 20/5/5 shooting 50/40/90, but for that to happen, we first have to acquire the Thunder´s 25 first round picks from the next five years.

[MFFL]

Herb Jones is interesting. New Orleans needs to cut salary

New Orleans got under the cap with the Siakam trade

[mvossman]

We said the same about John Collins.

Looked into the Hawks on/off numbers a bit and Capela seems the common denominator for all their bad five man units.  He certainly does not function in small ball units, which we specialize in. On the other hand Bey works really well with Bogdanovic, Young and Murray. Also he´s a RFA. I doubt he´ll get more than Green, so question is what you pay and what you are willing to pay going forward. 

Ultimately with ourlimited  assets we have to focus on players like Bey. I also would like to sign or acquire all the guys that are 20/5/5 shooting 50/40/90, but for that to happen, we first have to acquire the Thunder´s 25 first round picks from the next five years.

Do we have to focus on players like Bey?  He is an inefficient offense only player.  For a team that is top 10 in offense (and would probably be top 5 if healthy) and near the bottom on defense, does it make sense to add MLE guys who can't play defense?  For example, I would much rather have DJJ next season than Bey.

[Winter]

Let's just go ahead and put this to bed.

From Stein: "It was relayed to me in rather strong terms over the weekend that the Pelicans, contrary to one recent report, are not open to fielding offers on defensive ace Herb Jones."