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[omahen]

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Wood throws shade at Dallas.

Totally expected. We can't really say Dallas helped him (or themselves, for what it matters) with his value. Not saying Wood has nothing to do with his dip in value, but Dallas certainly didn't help, starting from day 1.

It will be interesting to see that big role part, though

[ItsGoTime]

Totally expected. We can't really say Dallas helped him (or themselves, for what it matters) with his value. Not saying Wood has nothing to do with his dip in value, but Dallas certainly didn't help, starting from day 1.

It will be interesting to see that big role part, though

Exactly. Also, weren’t we all discussing Cuban’s recent comments as throwing shade at Wood. Our team has been throwing shade at him since we traded for him in all honesty. This is the first time he has thrown back, at least in public.

[dirkfansince1998]

In my opinion this is just another reminder why he simply cannot find a team that wants to keep him.  Seven teams in seven years. Not a single team that is willing to offer more than the minimum. But it´s not about him. He is an allstar caliber player and everyone else simply isn´t smart enough to understand how great he is.
Outrages idea: Self-reflection and humility instead of throwing shades at his former team.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

In my opinion this is just another reminder why he simply cannot find a team that wants to keep him.  Seven teams in seven years. Not a single team that is willing to offer more than the minimum. But it´s not about him. He is an allstar caliber player and everyone else simply isn´t smart enough to understand how great he is.
Outrages idea: Self-reflection and humility instead of throwing shades at his former team.

I don't understand this narrative.  He was a journeyman, in and out of the league until Detroit.  Left Detroit for FA dollars.  Traded to DAL making room for Sengun and JSJ.  DAL is his first and only failed stint.  We can argue all day why he failed in DAL, but this failed stint after stint narrative is pure BS.

Watch and see what he does in LAL.  They got the steal of this offseason.  By the allstar break he'll either be starting or 6th man.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

No, as Josh will be an RFA, not UFA like Brunson.

If someone has the cap room to offer him a contract out of our budget for him, RFA = UFA.

[ItsGoTime]

I mean, we ourselves throw shade at Kidd, why is him finally retaliating such a problem for people? Also, saying “after what Dallas did”, is not saying much at all. Deserved slight shade is absolutely acceptable.

[dirkfansince1998]

I don't understand this narrative.  He was a journeyman, in and out of the league until Detroit.  Left Detroit for FA dollars.  Traded to DAL making room for Sengun and JSJ.  DAL is his first and only failed stint.  We can argue all day why he failed in DAL, but this failed stint after stint narrative is pure BS.

Watch and see what he does in LAL.  They got the steal of this offseason.  By the allstar break he'll either be starting or 6th man.

At some point you expected him to make more than the MLE. Now he is playing for the minimum. Don't be suprised if his Lakers stint ends just like his season in Dallas. AD is going to close games. Wood won´t be happy.

Your post also ignores the locker room issues. Rockets were happy to get rid of him.

Remember this story...

Sources: After Rockets assistant John Lucas called out multiple players including Kevin Porter Jr. and Christian Wood at halftime tonight vs. Nuggets, Porter had a heated exchange with Lucas, threw an object and promptly left the arena – and Wood refused to sub into second half.

When the Rockets signed him they were excited to get a talented big on a good contract. Pistons didn´t want him back. When the Mavs traded for Wood the majority of fans viewed it as a good trade. 18/10 for a late first and expiring end of the bench guys. What could possibly go wrong. One year later the Mavs are the Rockets/Pistons. This time the Lakers are talking themself into him. He has all the tools and put up big numbers. This time things will be different. I don´t buy it. But who knows maybe the last three years humbled him and he is finally willing to accept a lesser role. Finally willing to work within a defensive scheme.

[dirkfansince1998]

I mean, we ourselves throw shade at Kidd, why is him finally retaliating such a problem for people? Also, saying “after what Dallas did”, is not saying much at all. Deserved slight shade is absolutely acceptable.

It´s not a smart business decision. NBA market only offers 30 possible employers. Burning bridges isn´t helping him. Add the networks of involved GMs, coaches owners and the situation gets even worse.
I wasn´t a fan but even I can admit that he is more talented than most minimum players. Hard to believe that his talent isn´t at least somewhat intriguing for most teams but if we can trust the rumors no one except for Miami and LA was interested. Why?

[mvossman]

At some point you expected him to make more than the MLE. Now he is playing for the minimum. Don't be suprised if his Lakers stint ends just like his season in Dallas. AD is going to close games. Wood won´t be happy.

Your post also ignores the locker room issues. Rockets were happy to get rid of him.

Remember this story...



When the Rockets signed him they were excited to get a talented big on a good contract. Pistons didn´t want him back. When the Mavs traded for Wood the majority of fans viewed it as a good trade. 18/10 for a late first and expiring end of the bench guys. What could possibly go wrong. One year later the Mavs are the Rockets/Pistons. This time the Lakers are talking themself into him. He has all the tools and put up big numbers. This time things will be different. I don´t buy it. But who knows maybe the last three years humbled him and he is finally willing to accept a lesser role. Finally willing to work within a defensive scheme.

Yep.  Everyone thought Detroit was crazy to let Wood walk and then sign Grant for more, but they new better than the rest of us.  Same with Houston taking a crappy first and all of our trash just to get rid of him.

[KillerLeft]

It´s not a smart business decision. NBA market only offers 30 possible employers. Burning bridges isn´t helping him. Add the networks of involved GMs, coaches owners and the situation gets even worse.
I wasn´t a fan but even I can admit that he is more talented than most minimum players. Hard to believe that his talent isn´t at least somewhat intriguing for most teams but if we can trust the rumors no one except for Miami and LA was interested. Why?

This.

There's a double standard at play, to IGT's point. That's plain. We DO talk trash about Kidd here. Cuban DID open his mouth recently with thinly veiled criticism of Wood. 

BUT, Wood is the outsider. We have no stake in anything as fans, and while Cuban can say and do some dumb stuff, he OWNS A TEAM. So, these aren't really useful comparisons, to my mind. Wood just doesn't seem to understand how to A) get his game to complement a winning team or B) let that speak for him, let alone C) play any type of "nice" to get a toehold in the league. What's more, he doesn't show any signs of understanding WHY teams aren't lining up to sign him, and the suggestion that this is due to a Mavs smear job, either by him or his fans on twitter, is bananas. Truly ridiculous. 

That calculated hit job he and his agent tried against the Mavs midseason through the Mavs Outsider Podcast (indicative that they couldn't get that through more legitimate channels, isn't it?) probably did as much to tank his value this summer as anything the Mavs might/might not be saying about him on the gossip network. 

I think he could be a good player, but I'm not really confident he ever will be. My guess is that he'll put in another year of stat padding, and that he'll have his moments. He'll have Lakers fans arguing like we all have been for a year. In the end, he'll be on yet ANOTHER team a year from today. Or, out of the league. There's just too much evidence that the NBA is tired of him. I'm guessing a fairly substantial part of it is locker room/behind the scenes stuff.

[ItsGoTime]

It´s not a smart business decision. NBA market only offers 30 possible employers. Burning bridges isn´t helping him. Add the networks of involved GMs, coaches owners and the situation gets even worse.
I wasn´t a fan but even I can admit that he is more talented than most minimum players. Hard to believe that his talent isn´t at least somewhat intriguing for most teams but if we can trust the rumors no one except for Miami and LA was interested. Why?

Throwing shade is not a good business decision for either side of this, player or team, in this case, while he was a Mav, he kept his mouth shut until he wasn’t a Mav (publicly of course, there’s no doubt in my mind at this point that he was upset behind the scenes, but he was still professional about it). Sure, that burns a bridge to a team he obviously also wants nothing to do with anymore. All he has to do is show the ability to play well within a team system for a couple years and he’ll be back up to a MLE player.

It was also shade thrown at Kidd more than the franchise as evidenced by the first part of the quote talking about coaching. I’m very sure he’s fine with burning the Kidd bridge.

I just don’t understand how you can gloss over the season-long AND into the offseason (Cuban’s comment was just earlier this week!) shade that was thrown his way from coach and owner and come away thinking the player is so wrong. It’s like someone constantly slapping you in the face and when you finally slap back, they take offense.

Also, Det wanted him back, just not for the money Hou was willing to pay. They also didn’t give him the (at the time) opportunity to make the playoffs either. That was the story I remember.

[KillerLeft]

On another subject, am I to understand that all the dates have passed, and that pretty much anyone involved in our numerous trade fantasies over the past month are now free to be moved?

If so, it seems like this is the team going into training camp, nay?

And if THAT's so, I wish someone would explain to me why McGee was stretch waived.

[KillerLeft]

Also, Det wanted him back, just not for the money Hou was willing to pay. They also didn’t give him the (at the time) opportunity to make the playoffs either. That was the story I remember.

This might be right, in a technical sort of way. I honestly don't know. 

Still, they featured Wood down the stretch of a lost cause season, knowing the role/remuneration he was hoping to earn, like an audition, then opted to give that, specific role and contract to Jerami Grant, NOT Wood. They might have "wanted him back" if that meant hoping he understood that he wasn't going to play a featured role or get a big contract. Knowing Wood as we do, my hunch is that he didn't really feel like they wanted him back.

[ItsGoTime]

This might be right, in a technical sort of way. I honestly don't know. 

Still, they featured Wood down the stretch of a lost cause season, knowing the role/remuneration he was hoping to earn, like an audition, then opted to give that, specific role and contract to Jerami Grant, NOT Wood. They might have "wanted him back" if that meant hoping he understood that he wasn't going to play a featured role or get a big contract. Knowing Wood as we do, my hunch is that he didn't really feel like they wanted him back.

That is Wood not wanting Det, not how DFS98 explained and lumped Det into the teams not wanting Wood back though. There is a difference. Maybe Det will never want him back at this point, but to say they didn’t want him back then and adding that to the narrative of his career is just false.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

At some point you expected him to make more than the MLE. Now he is playing for the minimum. Don't be suprised if his Lakers stint ends just like his season in Dallas. AD is going to close games. Wood won´t be happy.

Your post also ignores the locker room issues. Rockets were happy to get rid of him.

Remember this story...



When the Rockets signed him they were excited to get a talented big on a good contract. Pistons didn´t want him back. When the Mavs traded for Wood the majority of fans viewed it as a good trade. 18/10 for a late first and expiring end of the bench guys. What could possibly go wrong. One year later the Mavs are the Rockets/Pistons. This time the Lakers are talking themself into him. He has all the tools and put up big numbers. This time things will be different. I don´t buy it. But who knows maybe the last three years humbled him and he is finally willing to accept a lesser role. Finally willing to work within a defensive scheme.

Yes, I'm surprised  he signed a vet min deal.  Yes, I was admittedly wrong about his market.  The article does mention what I've been saying, tho.  With the movement of Dame and Harden, there would have been a lot churning, a lot for teams like MIA to stand put on.  His second year in LAL is a PO.  He'll not be exercising that.  My prediction is that he's going to ball with defensive studs surrounding him in LAL.  They'll use him like we should have: 6th man. 

Detroit chose Jerami Grant.  In NO way does that mean they didn't want him back; they just chose Grant over Wood.

He had one incident in HOU, taking the side of a young teammate against a coach; it was the teammate, not Wood who threw the jersey and left practice.

I'll say it again.  Kidd has FAR more of a history in not getting along with teammates, coaches, owners, and players than Wood does.  He started his career as a coach killer, both at Cal and DAL.  Cuban didn't want Kidd's name mentioned before reconciling with him.  Problems with teammates?  Ask Jimmy Jackson.  Problems with players?  Ask Larry Sanders.  Ask KG and Paul Pierce, both of whom had to be talked out of kicking his ass.  What happened in DAL with Wood is Kidd's pattern, not Wood's.

Time will tell.  If his DAL stint (the only negative stint of his career) repeats itself in LAL under the toutorage of AD, Lebron, and Ham, I am obviously very wrong and admit so.

[KillerLeft]

That is Wood not wanting Det, not how DFS98 explained and lumped Det into the teams not wanting Wood back though. There is a difference. Maybe Det will never want him back at this point, but to say they didn’t want him back then and adding that to the narrative of his career is just false.

I don't know that I agree, sorry. Again, you're arguing a technicality that I find disingenuous. 

If (going by your memory, I don't remember it this way) Detroit SAYS they'd like him back, but then gives the money and role he wants to someone else, I don't know that this information actually lines up. Seems kind of like the Mavs wanting Dragic...IF he's willing to admit he's a geriatric and is only coming to waive a towel. That's basically the same as saying you don't want him, to me.

We had a similar argument back in the day (not you and me, necessarily, but certainly I remember Kamm being on the wrong side of this one) about Chandler during the summer of 2011. "Hey, Tyson, we know you just won us a ring by proving to be the piece we've been looking for all these years who can do the dirty work down low, freeing Dirk up to do his thing, and we'd love to have you continue doing that for us, but only for one year, because next summer we think we have a shot at Chris Paul and Dwight Howard, so, you know...we obviously can't pass that up. You're fine to re-sign for one year and THEN get lost to try to find a multi-year deal somewhere else after what will probably be not quite as magical a season, right? RIGHT??? 

With (I presume) a straight face, there were people back then saying TY left the Mavs, not the other way around. WILD.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

This might be right, in a technical sort of way. I honestly don't know. 

Still, they featured Wood down the stretch of a lost cause season, knowing the role/remuneration he was hoping to earn, like an audition, then opted to give that, specific role and contract to Jerami Grant, NOT Wood. They might have "wanted him back" if that meant hoping he understood that he wasn't going to play a featured role or get a big contract. Knowing Wood as we do, my hunch is that he didn't really feel like they wanted him back.

There's zero doubt DET made Grant their choice and signed him for more money than HOU gave Wood.  That in no way equates to DET not wanting him, just that they preferred Grant.

[KillerLeft]

There's zero doubt DET made Grant their choice and signed him for more money than HOU gave Wood.  That in no way equates to DET not wanting him, just that they preferred Grant.

[ItsGoTime]

I don't know that I agree, sorry. Again, you're arguing a technicality that I find disingenuous. 

If (going by your memory, I don't remember it this way) Detroit SAYS they'd like him back, but then gives the money and role he wants to someone else, I don't know that this information actually lines up. Seems kind of like the Mavs wanting Dragic...IF he's willing to admit he's a geriatric and is only coming to waive a towel. That's basically the same as saying you don't want him, to me.

We had a similar argument back in the day (not you and me, necessarily, but certainly I remember Kamm being on the wrong side of this one) about Chandler during the summer of 2011. "Hey, Tyson, we know you just won us a ring by proving to be the piece we've been looking for all these years who can do the dirty work down low, freeing Dirk up to do his thing, and we'd love to have you continue doing that for us, but only for one year, because next summer we think we have a shot at Chris Paul and Dwight Howard, so, you know...we obviously can't pass that up. You're fine to re-sign for one year and THEN get lost to try to find a multi-year deal somewhere else after what will probably be not quite as magical a season, right? RIGHT??? 

With (I presume) a straight face, there were people back then saying TY left the Mavs, not the other way around. WILD.

I can’t understand where the disconnect is on this. If Det doesn’t want him back, they don’t offer him anything or don’t even talk to him (like Dallas didn’t), but there was discussion from agent to team about a contract. They wanted him back for the role he was already playing (backup PF/C) at a more appropriate salary compared to his production. They showed why they wanted that because they signed Grant, a superior player.

Dallas wanted Tyson back, they just wanted Howard more and couldn’t get him for a year. They offered Tyson the contract they wanted him for. The craziness to me of that whole fiasco was people thinking the max 1 year contract was a fair offer. The equivalent to that story would be for people to say Dallas didn’t want Tyson. Both can be true, Dallas wanted TC AND Dallas wanted Howard more.

[Jym]

Both can be true, Dallas wanted TC AND Dallas wanted Howard more.

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