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[DanSchwartzgan]

I don't think Green's impending extension is a likely reason, but figuring out what, if any, use they might have for the extra money the stretch waive would free up might be a decent thought direction. 

Is the Capela trade still alive, maybe?

That's were my mind naturally goes too.  It could be as simple as they intended to do this all along (as Morris predicted after the season).  We ended up so tight to the tax that we had to do the S/W to add Morris and stay comfortably under the tax.  It could also be that all the things we pursued are all dead and they gave up and fell back to plan S/W.

With all that said, we do have a lot of PF types in Maxi, OMax, GWill, DJJ and Morris.  Yes, some can play other positions and some may never see the light of day.  But, that is still a lot.  Makes me start to look at Maxi plus space under the tax or Maxi/THJ plus space under the tax deals.  Players between $27mm and $32.5mm include Herro, J. Grant, DeRozan, Lowry, Hayward, and Ayton.

[DanSchwartzgan]

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I have heard that the Mavs lacked a vocal locker room presence last season, so bringing Markieff Morris back definitely helps in that respect. I expect him, Grant Williams, and Kyrie Irving to be the vocal leaders for the team next season

[dirkfansince1998]

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I have heard that the Mavs lacked a vocal locker room presence last season, so bringing Markieff Morris back definitely helps in that respect. I expect him, Grant Williams, and Kyrie Irving to be the vocal leaders for the team next season

Difficult to get that presence from a player that has no on court role. And I am not sure if Morris brings the kind of presence that I would want in a locker room. Morris twins have a reputation. Some would say they are tough and vocal leaders. Others would say they are immature and can be easily distracted.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

A ride to the airport!

Well played.  

It just continues to floor me.  We'd rather Morris????

[BoredAssistant]

"10-30-2022, 09:29 PM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2022, 12:35 AM by BoredAssistant.)
After this season, Cuban could s/w McGee's 12 mil and it wouldn't hurt that bad at all . . . at least to me personally."

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[Jym]

"10-30-2022, 09:29 PM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2022, 12:35 AM by BoredAssistant.)
After this season, Cuban could s/w McGee's 12 mil and it wouldn't hurt that bad at all . . . at least to me personally."

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I'm still just blown away they gave him a fully guaranteed 3 year deal
It only needed to be one year at that rate. Let another team beat that if they want but I'm absolutely positive not a single other team was going with a multi-year deal above the minimum. Ain't no way

[BoredAssistant]

I'm still just blown away they gave him a fully guaranteed 3 year deal
It only needed to be one year at that rate. Let another team beat that if they want but I'm absolutely positive not a single other team was going with a multi-year deal above the minimum. Ain't no way

Plus the owner had evaluated him in a previous stint and let him walk.

[ItsGoTime]

I'm still just blown away they gave him a fully guaranteed 3 year deal
It only needed to be one year at that rate. Let another team beat that if they want but I'm absolutely positive not a single other team was going with a multi-year deal above the minimum. Ain't no way

Milwaukee was offering him the same money for 1 year, reportedly. There was no report of a 2 year deal from anywhere, so I can’t understand why they had to go 3.

[ItsGoTime]

Every high end team needs a couple NVE type F those guys attitude players. Problem with Morris is he brings extra to that attitude that is not what a team would want. GWill is 1 guy, maybe they use Morris to teach it into OMax? Morris quotes at the end of the season make more sense that way. His exit interview seemed to go REALLY well.

I’m with everyone saying these transactions are huge head scratchers. They could have even not replaced the spot and go into the season with 14 on roster.

[surfpuckmd]

I don't love this move, but it's just because I would've preferred a cleaner way of getting McGee's money off of the books. If they feel they must do this, there must be some type of decent reason.

There are multiple layers of stupidity to dissect with the McGee move.  It is not a decision that any reasonable NBA front office would make unless:


1.  The head coach demanded he be gone

2.  The team's superstar insisted he be gone

As I don't think the Mavericks are tied to Jason Kidd forever, I think this was clearly a move to placate Luka.  I don't think Luke cares about the Mavericks future cap worries and I don't think Luka cares about having Markieff Morris on the roster.  I think Luka plainly told the Mavericks he wanted Javale McGee off the team.  That's why Javale is gone.

[surfpuckmd]

Hell I would have preferred Pinson if we were going for a deep bench vibes guy who never needed to see the court
But yeah other needs when we really don't have a true 3rd point guard and our only 7 footer is a rookie

I think the third PG is a real need we've ignored.  We're obviously fine when Luka and Kyrie are both available.  When one of them is out, I think we'll notice some problems with coordinating the offense.  

Raul Neto or George Hill would have made a lot more sense for this roster.  

Markieff Morris is a bad player and seems like a jerk.  I don't understand any of this.  It's like Nico Harrison and Dennis Lindsay left for vacation and left Mark Cuban home alone to make major decisions alone.

[surfpuckmd]

Can anybody tell me how much of the mid-level exception we have left for this season?

Did the Seth Curry and Dante Exum contracts affect the MLE?

[MrGoat]

There are multiple layers of stupidity to dissect with the McGee move.  It is not a decision that any reasonable NBA front office would make unless:


1.  The head coach demanded he be gone

2.  The team's superstar insisted he be gone

As I don't think the Mavericks are tied to Jason Kidd forever, I think this was clearly a move to placate Luka.  I don't think Luke cares about the Mavericks future cap worries and I don't think Luka cares about having Markieff Morris on the roster.  I think Luka plainly told the Mavericks he wanted Javale McGee off the team.  That's why Javale is gone.

The fact that we were so desperate at the center position to sign McGee last season that we offered him that to outbid Phoenix for him is why I am so annoyed we still brought Powell back. If we're going to keep Kidd as coach I would have wanted to force him to be more creative with the center position and actually try to move forward there (by that I mean actually trying to integrate Lively right away) and the way to do that would have been to not retain Powell

[F Gump]

That's were my mind naturally goes too.  It could be as simple as they intended to do this all along (as Morris predicted after the season).  We ended up so tight to the tax that we had to do the S/W to add Morris and stay comfortably under the tax.  It could also be that all the things we pursued are all dead and they gave up and fell back to plan S/W.

With all that said, we do have a lot of PF types in Maxi, OMax, GWill, DJJ and Morris.  Yes, some can play other positions and some may never see the light of day.  But, that is still a lot.  Makes me start to look at Maxi plus space under the tax or Maxi/THJ plus space under the tax deals.  Players between $27mm and $32.5mm include Herro, J. Grant, DeRozan, Lowry, Hayward, and Ayton.

I see Ayton as the Mavs most likely target, with "THJ-Holmes-cap savings" the essence of the package. With JM waived rather than included, in such a deal there's now more potential for PHX to get under Apron 2, with DAL staying under the tax line. To make that work for both teams, the Mavs need to have >4.36M in under-tax-line cap savings to offer, and if we count Morris at $0 cap, they have that much available and a slice more. Holmes inclusion would require it to be done after 9/6, but waiting past 12/15 offers better flexibility in getting PHX under Apron 2.

Ayton doesn't interest me enough to justify having him with his contract (and not even close). But the Mavs may feel very differently.

[F Gump]

Makes sense.  So maybe they stretch him because they want him out now and they want to reduce the hit next year when they pay Green Extension.

That's not the answer to the SW question. In waiving McGee, they can eat the current salary this year in full when they have the room, then SW the next year's when we get there (assuming they need the room).

Assuming they are going to SW this year's too, it means they either have a need for an extra $4M in under-tax room THIS YEAR, or they just aren't planning very well.

[F Gump]

There are multiple layers of stupidity to dissect with the McGee move.  It is not a decision that any reasonable NBA front office would make unless:


1.  The head coach demanded he be gone

2.  The team's superstar insisted he be gone
 

You have omitted the 3rd possibility (in which JM wasn't going to play because he sux, but neither coach nor star had any input or preference on whether JM was on the roster or not).

In that one, the Mavs roster planners decided they need the cap/tax room for something. The deadline is Sept 1 to make a decision one way or the other on how you are going to account for the 5.7M this season. They still want to move his salary, but don't seem to have a taker, so they are at a crossroads.

[mvossman]

The fact that we were so desperate at the center position to sign McGee last season that we offered him that to outbid Phoenix for him is why I am so annoyed we still brought Powell back. If we're going to keep Kidd as coach I would have wanted to force him to be more creative with the center position and actually try to move forward there (by that I mean actually trying to integrate Lively right away) and the way to do that would have been to not retain Powell

I thought it was the Bucks we outbid?  I don't see Powell as a blocker to Lively progress.  He is the perfect insurance policy.  I think Lively and Holmes will get as many minutes as they can handle, and Powell take what they can't.

[mvossman]

That's not the answer to the SW question. In waiving McGee, they can eat the current salary this year in full when they have the room, then SW the next year's when we get there (assuming they need the room).

Assuming they are going to SW this year's too, it means they either have a need for an extra $4M in under-tax room THIS YEAR, or they just aren't planning very well.

That is interesting.  Did not know that was an option.  That makes this move even more curious.

[DanSchwartzgan]

To make that work for both teams, the Mavs need to have >4.36M in under-tax-line cap savings to offer, and if we count Morris at $0 cap, they have that much available and a slice more. Holmes inclusion would require it to be done after 9/6, but waiting past 12/15 offers better flexibility in getting PHX under Apron 2.

So, you are thinking Phoenix sends out a minimum wage guy with Ayton.  That takes the savings from $2.5mm to $4.5mm (meeting your objective).  It also keeps Dallas at 15 players since THJ/Holmes for Ayton is a two-for-one and we'd be down to 13 once Morris is cut.  

That might explain why Morris was signed in the first place.  It provides flexibility in case we do end up doing a 2-1 (not necessarily Ayton).  It would also infer such a deal isn't locked down yet and they are just positioning themselves for flexibility.  They can let the clock run on Morris until they find a deal and then adjust accordingly.  In the case of the Ayton deal above, if they do the deal on 12/15 as a 2-for-2, Morris will have eaten up about $550k playing 27% of the season. Hopefully, we have a better idea once we see what they actually do with McGee on or after 9/1.

[F Gump]

Can anybody tell me how much of the mid-level exception we have left for this season?

Did the Seth Curry and Dante Exum contracts affect the MLE?

MLE (begin)   12,405,000
Curry              4,000,000
Exum              3,000,000
MLE (still left)   5,405,000