11-06-2019, 05:56 PM
2019-2020 Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart
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11-06-2019, 06:21 PM
(11-06-2019, 05:56 PM)fifteenth Wrote: So who should we have signed? List below, most likely I forgot some other options. Neither of us have any idea who we could have signed, who was prepared to talk with us etc. But everything was pointing out that Mavs were caught completely by surprise. Everyone was signing players while Mavs dealt with that Miami trade that failed completely. If Kemba and Green were targets, that alone makes the summer a failure, as they failed at both. This would effectively mean that we executed plan C. List of 3-D guys within 20 per reach. As a non expert I would assume we could sign any of them if we offered a couple mil more. Everyone listed would be an upgrade from THJ or JJ and would still enable us to sign Wright, Curry and Bobi. 1. Notable exception: Brogdon (a bit over 20 per, but some moves like getting rid of Lee contract would probably enable him and all the rest that we signed) 2. Bogdanovic 3. Lamb 4. Young 5. Green 6. Ross 7. Beverly 8. Lamb Pearl of the Miami trade fiasco was this statement: Dallas didn't want to trade for Dragic because they realized it would ruin their cap plans. Hm, which plans exactly would that be? Waiting for Green till the end to finally choose Lakers over us? Please stop selling the story, how signing Wright, Bobi and Curry was a well thought masterplan. It was not. It was plan X after failing in plans A (Kemba), B (Miami trade), C (Green), D? (Bev) and who knows how many more.
11-06-2019, 06:22 PM
(11-06-2019, 05:19 PM)fifteenth Wrote: My thoughts:
11-06-2019, 06:23 PM
11-06-2019, 06:34 PM
(11-06-2019, 06:23 PM)embellisher Wrote:(11-06-2019, 05:56 PM)fifteenth Wrote: So who should we have signed? There was TONS of this talk before FA opening, why would we need to talk about it again?
11-06-2019, 06:45 PM
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(11-06-2019, 06:34 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote:(11-06-2019, 06:23 PM)embellisher Wrote:(11-06-2019, 05:56 PM)fifteenth Wrote: So who should we have signed? Because most of the likely targets were 1. either sign-and-traded, 2. signed with a team that they would rather have played with, or 3. had an agreement in place before FA opened. Options 2 and 3 both indicated that they didn’t want to play here at all, or felt that Luka and Unicorn wouldn’t get them deep in the playoffs, and signed with teams that they perceived to be better.
11-06-2019, 06:55 PM
Free Agency this year just wasn't normal. There is a reason the NBA tries to push the anti tampering narrative now.
I think the Mavs did fine. I'm especially happy about Boban.
11-06-2019, 07:00 PM
(11-06-2019, 06:45 PM)embellisher Wrote:(11-06-2019, 06:34 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote:(11-06-2019, 06:23 PM)embellisher Wrote:(11-06-2019, 05:56 PM)fifteenth Wrote: So who should we have signed? So you agree with the offseason being a failure. Glad we got that set straight.
11-06-2019, 07:51 PM
11-06-2019, 07:57 PM
(11-06-2019, 06:55 PM)SportPsychMav Wrote: Free Agency this year just wasn't normal. There is a reason the NBA tries to push the anti tampering narrative now. This can't be an excuse, because basically everyone was tampering. If the Mavs were one of very few waiting for the deadline, it doesn't really look good for the FO. If anything it shows they were naive and/or not prepared.
11-06-2019, 08:00 PM
(11-06-2019, 04:55 PM)fifteenth Wrote:(11-06-2019, 04:43 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Ahhhh, 2021, the next overhyped/overanticipated FA failure year. I am pretty happy with the guys we got. I was all in on Kemba Walker who seems like he's putting up good stats. I was still worried about age and fit with Luka so that is something to keep an eye on. Brogdon was the guy I really wanted but felt like the Mavs wouldn't go after despite being such a good fit on paper. I don't think they saw Brogdon worth double the price of Delon. We will see how that goes. Brogdon's stats look really good, 23.7 ppg, 9.4 apg, 5.3 rpg. 3% is lower right now but I suspect that will go up. I would have gone all in on Brogdon I think. We wouldn't have gotten Seth or Delon, Bobi was still in play for smaller MLE. Time will tell. I like Seth and Wright both. It just seems like Brogdon would have been the perfect 3rd guy in Dallas (like he was in Milwaukee).
11-06-2019, 08:01 PM
If the plan for the offseason was to sign a 3rd star then yeah it was a massive failure.
If they were looking for more role-players to add to Luka and KP, then hope for a star in 2021 when more guns are FA. Then it worked out fine. I think they were hoping for the star but changed focus on the first day of FA when all the stars had already decided on their team. The Danny Green bromance was a bit weird, but by then it didn't really cost them much, maybe Dragic, but considering Luka is dominating the ball Dragic doesn't seem like a great fit. I would say they graded at a B, decent but nothing special.
11-06-2019, 08:04 PM
I also would have been happy with Danny Green and Pat Beverley. Getting those 2 guys seemed reasonable. I am not sure you couldn't have overpaid a bit to get them both in here. They are both older and making a lot of money so we'll see. At least the Mavs did good getting value contracts.
The last guy I would have liked who could have was Derrick Favors. Mavs could have gotten him for 2nd round picks (similar to Wright). I think he would have done well next to KP. He might become available again later on at the TDL or next summer. He might be a guy you look at with MLE money. I am not sold on Powell being a 30 mpg type of guy.
11-06-2019, 08:15 PM
Favors was the one I was interested in, he is not a stretch big but plays great D and rebounds well. Looks like a great fit with KP.
On a trade note, what Does Memphis actually want for Iggy? Do they really expect to get a 1st for him? Or is the hold up that Iggy is telling most teams he doesn't want to play for them and so they are hesitant to trade for him? If Dallas can just send Lee and a couple of 2nds for him they should do it ASAP. May as well add Bro since they aren't using him anyway. Adds more experience and depth to the SF spot, start Iggy but only play him 20-25 mins to keep him fresh. DFS can play 20mins off the bench at SF.
11-06-2019, 10:06 PM
Imagine being able to get Drummond
11-06-2019, 11:02 PM
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(11-06-2019, 05:19 PM)fifteenth Wrote:(11-06-2019, 05:01 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Failure is a bit strong but yes I do. read my quote again. the answer is in there. when you have that much cap space, you gotta add a better player than Delon Wright. You add guys like Seth and Delon once you already have your cap space spent and only exemptions remaining. tonight's game is a prime example of why these guys were cheap. they're good role players. they're not someone you can go to when Luka or KP are struggling. It doesn't really matter what the names are but I posted about 200 times on the old board that my #1 target would be Brogdon at 4/$95 and if we can't get him, my #2 target would be Bojan. Brogdon is averaging 24 and 9.5 on the exact same efg% as Luka. He's probably a 18 and 6 guy here on elite efficiency as the third option. He's the first option in Indiana right now with Oladipo out. Bojan is averaging 20 on a blistering 60% efg%. I honestly don't know if I can think of a player in the league that would be a better fit on this team as a third option. I've had friends that live in other cities ask me why we didn't go after Brogdon. It was an obvious fit to anyone that understands basketball. Only thing I can hope is that the Mavs were the only team who didn't tamper and were caught with their pants down when free agency started.
11-06-2019, 11:35 PM
(11-06-2019, 11:02 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote:(11-06-2019, 05:19 PM)fifteenth Wrote:(11-06-2019, 05:01 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Failure is a bit strong but yes I do. Exactly! Brogdon has that injury risk with him, other than that he is excellent. As would be Bojan. As you put it - perfect number three guys. Team first guys, efficient, good scorers, play honest defense.
11-07-2019, 02:13 AM
All I want for Christmas is Jonathan Isaac
14x All-Star, 12x all-NBA, 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 1 NBA Championship: Dirk Nowitzki, the man, the myth, the legend.
11-07-2019, 02:37 AM
Unfortunately we don't have the assets for a lottery kid who is performing well and is still under his rookie scale contract like Isaac. But the Otto Porter-situation might become interesting. He's overpaid in general and really struggling this season so far. Then you got CHI being awul once again which might to a situation where we can improve the overall talent level without sending out much in terms of value outside of expirings + small contracts. Poter has a player option for next season which adds another unknown factor for CHI.
The Washington-Porter would be a tremendous addition. Low usage-high efficiency player on offense, versatile defender, good shooter.
11-07-2019, 08:20 AM
(11-05-2019, 09:16 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: Intresting pieces to keep an eye for 2021 FA (Defensive wings that can score at least 10 ppg) : Anunoby (TOR), Isaac (ORL), Richardson (MIA), Oubre (PHO), Porter (CHI). |
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