Trade & FA 2023-24: 76ers Believe They Have A Shot at PG13

[DanSchwartzgan]

*gasp*

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I could actually see a three way with Toronto where the Raptors get Kuminga, Dallas gets Green and Siakam ends up with GSW.  Obviously more would be need to be added (THJ, Payton).

[omahen]

I am a huge Draymond fan, but even I would be scared as hell of that contract, (in)sanity and motivation left after GSW.

[BigDirk41]

Absolutely hell no to Draymond. He's been a great player and I'm a huge fan, but I don't want him anywhere near Luka. That man needs serious help. He can't control himself at all these days.

[KillerLeft]

Absolutely hell no to Draymond. He's been a great player and I'm a huge fan, but I don't want him anywhere near Luka. That man needs serious help. He can't control himself at all these days.

Well, I agree, but...he's going to get traded somewhere. Cheaply, I'd wager.

[omahen]

But, just to stir the conversation. Were there not some summer rumors that Kyrie/LeBron and Draymond are working on joining forces in Dallas?

I think THJ contract is roughly enough to match the salaries (too lazy to calculate, but can't be far off). Mavs would have enough salaries for LeBron trade in the summer. Now that is an interesting plan to play with

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Well, I agree, but...he's going to get traded somewhere. Cheaply, I'd wager.

Not sure anyone is taking that contract and risks without assets attached.

[SleepingHero]

Im watching the Raptors game right now and Siakam must know. He's 3/3 on threes. All of them are below the break spot up shots. The exact same type DJJ gets. Not sure why he wouldn't be closer to 40% here.

[mvossman]

I think that’s optimistic, but we all have guys we love.  It can’t be proved either way.  If we’ve learned anything this season it is that you can’t point to college as evidence of anything.  Lively does more on a nightly basis than he did in his best game at Duke.  So, let’s assume you are close to being right…what should we do?

I hate the idea of just sitting on our hands in a year where we have this version of Luka and Kyrie.  I love Lively, but don’t want to give away a playoff game(s) when he picks up too many fouls.  I also hate betting our entire offseason on Maxi’s health.  Someone like Olynyk helps with both issues as he can play with or instead of Lively.  People here have said he’s not the defender he once was.  But, you have to look at lineups in Utah to see what is going on.  In lineups where he plays with Kessler (Utah’s Lively), the D is golden.  The issue is Olynyk at Center next to stud defenders like Collins/Markkanen and Sexton et al.  The numbers are horrendous.  It might look different next to DJJ and Exum, GWill and Green.

If we keep our current starters, I like the Olynyk, GWill, THJ and Green bench a ton.  They can mix and match at multiple positions and we have 3 ball handlers of varying sizes who can make the rest of that work.  Olynyk cleans up several issues I have with Maxi, Powell/Holmes and Lively’s status as a rookie big.  He also helps on nights where DJJ can’t find his 3 point shot.  Olynyk is a Schwartz guy and Schwartz just signed Powell here for a very reasonable number at a similar age.  I think we might be able to retain him for a number that is far enough below the first apron that you could also keep DJJ.  At that point, you are solid 9 deep and you can keep shopping for the big deal that brings the third star.

I have never been an Olynyk fan, but I can see the argument.  If we can get him at reasonable price, he does make some sense.

[SwisherPrice]

Jazz punked the Mavs...we need real PFs with size who can do more than just be 3 and D role players. Go get Siakam, Olynyk, whoever...and give up anyone you need to do it!

We just can't hang against teams that can field these lineups...whether it's the Jazz or Nuggets/T-Wolves.

[Knutsen]

Lots of great posts about Siakam, thanks for sharing your thoughts, guys! 

When I think of Siakam I mostly focus on playoff matchups. The teams we’d probably have a hard time beating are the much bigger and physical ones like the Nuggets and Timbervolves.

So will we have a much better chance in a playoff series because Towns or Gobert won‘t be able to defend Siakam and because he keeps Gordon off Luka?

Stupid thing to quote myself, but the Jazz proved exactly what I was trying to say. There‘s a certain type of team that we don‘t stand a chance against this season so far, because Powell and all our forwards are too small and weak to contain these opponents and aren’t good enough on offense to prevent these big, athletic lineups.

Is Siakam the perfect counter against those teams? 
Then we‘d have to go all-in for him to have a chance for postseason success. And we should be in win-now mode, Kyrie is turning 32 this season and Luka wants to win now and not waste another couple of great individual seasons.

Edit:
@SwisherPrice, I saw your post afterwards - exactly what I am thinking!

[Nowitzki Way]

Stupid thing to quote myself, but the Jazz proved exactly what I was trying to say. There‘s a certain type of team that we don‘t stand a chance against this season so far, because Powell and all our forwards are too small and weak to contain these opponents and aren’t good enough on offense to prevent these big, athletic lineups.

Is Siakam the perfect counter against those teams? 
Then we‘d have to go all-in for him to have a chance for postseason success. And we should be in win-now mode, Kyrie is turning 32 this season and Luka wants to win now and not waste another couple of great individual seasons.

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@SwisherPrice, I saw your post afterwards - exactly what I am thinking!

I've been saying this for years. And this year is no different. We are too small.

We'd be lucky to win 1 game in a 7 game series with the Nuggets or T-Wolves.

[surfpuckmd]

I suppose I'm the outlier in that I don't want to trade for Siakam.  I think the price would be higher than most are suggesting here.  I believe it would take OMax and the 2027 unprotected first and probably some picks swaps.  I'm not sure why Toronto would consider Josh Green or Hardy as assets as both have been bad this season.

I don't think he's the ideal PF for this team either.  He shoots poorly from 3 and is no longer a plus defender.  He doesn't rebound well. He's probably the most talented PF available but I personally don't like the fit at all.

Most importantly, his max contract would lock us into a really top-heavy roster.  We'd have no other way to add talent whether through free agency or the draft.  We'd lose DJJ after this season.  We would have three high-salary players then a bunch of minimum contract players.  Phoenix is currently conducting this same experiment and it's not going great for them.  

There was discussion recently about Isaiah Stewart and I think he's a much better fit if not as talented overall.  I would also prefer Gafford for a more reasonable price and much better contract.  I also like the Olynyk idea a lot even though it's hard to spell his name.  All are better options considering fit and price.

[SleepingHero]

[Lowe] "Raptors have shown clearly here they want young/cost controlled players, your crap (Protected) picks are of no value to us... you have the Sixers looming as the max contract threat (for OG) in the offseason."

"I think they identified Quickley as early as last season (as a player to potentially trade for), when they knew that down the road they couldn't take the chance with OG with the Sixers looming in free agency."

"They don't (Philly/OKC) have a young player that the Raptors would've traded for."

"Teams have gotten choosier about trading picks." (i.e. only trading protected picks)


Zach Lowe breaking down the Raptors trade. If they want young cost controlled guys, Green and Hardy do qualify.

[SleepingHero]

[Charania] The Knicks maintain interest in Karl-Anthony Towns, yet no subsequent deal has surfaced after landing Anunoby. They focus towards playmaking in potential secondary trades. League executives believe a Siakam deal in the next month or so will be the next domino to fall for Toronto.

[omahen]

I suppose I'm the outlier in that I don't want to trade for Siakam.  I think the price would be higher than most are suggesting here.  I believe it would take OMax and the 2027 unprotected first and probably some picks swaps.  I'm not sure why Toronto would consider Josh Green or Hardy as assets as both have been bad this season.

I don't think he's the ideal PF for this team either.  He shoots poorly from 3 and is no longer a plus defender.  He doesn't rebound well. He's probably the most talented PF available but I personally don't like the fit at all.

Most importantly, his max contract would lock us into a really top-heavy roster.  We'd have no other way to add talent whether through free agency or the draft.  We'd lose DJJ after this season.  We would have three high-salary players then a bunch of minimum contract players.  Phoenix is currently conducting this same experiment and it's not going great for them.  

There was discussion recently about Isaiah Stewart and I think he's a much better fit if not as talented overall.  I would also prefer Gafford for a more reasonable price and much better contract.  I also like the Olynyk idea a lot even though it's hard to spell his name.  All are better options considering fit and price.

All top teams are top heavy. Denver is paying over 110 mil to their top 3 guys and another 36 to the other starters. Most expensive bench player is paid 5 mil. Boston will be paying 125 mil to their top 3 guys next season, followed by another 50 mil for remaining two starters. Horford is highest paid bench player with 9.5 mil. Milwaukee is paying 120 mil to their top 3 guys and another 25 mil to Lopez. Portis and Connaughton combined make 20 mil, everyone else is at minimum. We could go on. There are rare exceptions where some of the main guys might still be on their rookie deals. 

A true contender is top heavy and new CBA didn't stop teams from spending. At least not yet. At one point Mavs will need to make a move for a reliable (expensive) talent, or they will forever remain a fringe playoff team. As I said many times before, third best players are not without weaknesses, or they wouldn't be third best players. While I like Stewart, he is not imho what Mavs need to become a contender. Just another nice rotation player.

[KillerLeft]

Sleeping hero is killing it lately with the rumor synopsies! Great for those of us who find themselves super busy, all of a sudden!

[loki]

There was discussion recently about Isaiah Stewart and I think he's a much better fit if not as talented overall.  I would also prefer Gafford for a more reasonable price and much better contract.  I also like the Olynyk idea a lot even though it's hard to spell his name.  All are better options considering fit and price.

I've warmed up to the idea of WCJ. I think he's more likely to be moved than Stewart and could be a similar backup 5 that shoots just well enough to play some minutes next to Lively (in theory).

[KillerLeft]

I've warmed up to the idea of WCJ. I think he's more likely to be moved than Stewart and could be a similar backup 5 that shoots just well enough to play some minutes next to Lively (in theory).

I don't think he'd play next to Lively at all, which is why I think he's probably overkill. BUT, he seems to be not great enough to be a starting 5 on a playoff team, really (although very close), so if he's ready to be a backup and maybe take a payout on his next deal in order to be a backup on a good team...I can see it.

[loki]

I don't think he'd play next to Lively at all, which is why I think he's probably overkill. BUT, he seems to be not great enough to be a starting 5 on a playoff team, really (although very close), so if he's ready to be a backup and maybe take a payout on his next deal in order to be a backup on a good team...I can see it.

If he can't play any PF then I don't think he's worth it. But I haven't watched enough of him recently to say for sure.

[KillerLeft]

If he can't play any PF then I don't think he's worth it. But I haven't watched enough of him recently to say for sure.

There are lots of folks around here who disagree with things I think are pretty obvious, so don't take my word for it. There's a chance I don't know what I'm talking about. 

I guess all I can say for sure is I wouldn't be interested in playing him at the 4. I mean, you could sign Boban to play backup PG if you wanted, I guess.

[surfpuckmd]

All top teams are top heavy. Denver is paying over 110 mil to their top 3 guys and another 36 to the other starters. Most expensive bench player is paid 5 mil. Boston will be paying 125 mil to their top 3 guys next season, followed by another 50 mil for remaining two starters. Horford is highest paid bench player with 9.5 mil. Milwaukee is paying 120 mil to their top 3 guys and another 25 mil to Lopez. Portis and Connaughton combined make 20 mil, everyone else is at minimum. We could go on. There are rare exceptions where some of the main guys might still be on their rookie deals. 

A true contender is top heavy and new CBA didn't stop teams from spending. At least not yet. At one point Mavs will need to make a move for a reliable (expensive) talent, or they will forever remain a fringe playoff team. As I said many times before, third best players are not without weaknesses, or they wouldn't be third best players. While I like Stewart, he is not imho what Mavs need to become a contender. Just another nice rotation player.

Good point on salary.  I still don't think it's wise for us.

I think we need another nice rotation player this year.  Specifically, another big.  

We can then try to upgrade another position this coming summer when we have more assets available.  We also need more assessment on Josh Green and OMax to know where we need to upgrade.

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I've warmed up to the idea of WCJ. I think he's more likely to be moved than Stewart and could be a similar backup 5 that shoots just well enough to play some minutes next to Lively (in theory).

I've suggested WCJ before.  I think he can play the 4 offensively.  He's really skilled for a big and can handle the ball and get to the rim.  

He's not going to guard the perimeter well on defense.  He's strong though and a really good rebounder.  I think he and Lively could play some minutes together.  

I watched the Celtics play the Thunder last night and the Celtics played Porzingis and Kornet together for some minutes.  Nothing bad happened.  

Carter would be a solid fit here and would improve our chances this season and for the future.