Trade & FA 2023-24: 76ers Believe They Have A Shot at PG13

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

Yes, barring a trade that gets back one of our 2 picks out there (or someone else’s pick) 27 unprotected is essentially what we have to give a team in trade.

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We’ve now seen 2 instances where Green was requested and denied by us. Looks like they want him here to stay.

What were those instances?

IMO, Green ultimately isn't a great fit with Luka/Kyrie given he's much more of a SG than SF.  We have to get more rebounding out of the 3 spot.  Green, Bullock, THJ, etc aren't it.  I would trade Green for Eason in a heartbeat.  We need someone in that mold, someone to fit that swing of SF/PF need before OMax is ready.

[ItsGoTime]

Yes, barring a trade that gets back one of our 2 picks out there (or someone else’s pick) 27 unprotected is essentially what we have to give a team in trade.

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We’ve now seen 2 instances where Green was requested and denied by us. Looks like they want him here to stay.

Along with him being here to stay, looks like other teams see value in him.

[Chicagojk]

After our trade deadline deal players not meshing well last season, I’d prefer getting guys in the training camp to start fresh with eachother. I wouldn’t be careless with the pick but I would shop with using it in mind.

Yeah, if you can find the right trade.   It is just most teams are pretty positive on their rosters right now after the draft.  Most teams.   And a '26 or '27 first round pick may not matter as the current GM may not be making that pick.   

Maybe there are teams like Washington or a few others who are just looking for future assets.  Or maybe a team like Atlanta who is being pressured to get out of the tax.   

But lets say Detroit for instance.  They are getting pressure from ownership that they nee to compete for a playoff spot.   Some may disagree, but come midseason and if they have underachieved a Bojan for a future first would interest me.  Even if he is older and expiring.   A lot will depend how the rest of our roster grows.   But have three good scorers in Luka, Kyrie and Bojan to go with glue guys is a nice fit to me.   

So, I agree if they can find the right trade, make it.   But I think with most teams you are going to overpay right now...even if they make players available.

[DanSchwartzgan]

Huh?  Of course we do.  MLE, 2025 FRP, 2025 SRP, 2026 FRP, 2027 FRP, 2028 FRP, Green, THJ, Holmes, Bullock, McGee, Wood S&T, Powell S&T.

 

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Don't we have  2025 FRP, 2025 SRP, 2026 FRP, 2027 FRP, 2028 FRP?

Right now, the only first we can trade is 2027.  Our 2025 is tied up until 2024 conveys to NY (presumably).  2026 can't be traded until 2025 clears.  2028 can't be traded because we gave 2029 to Brooklyn.  2025 2nd is also tied up in the pick we owe NY.

I think the way to look at this is after next year's draft we project to have 2025 and 2027 firsts and a 2025 second to work with.  We will also (presumably) have THJ, Holmes and McGee on expiring deals that summer.  If it were me, I'd shoot for some more improvement at the margins this summer and take the big swing next summer.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

Brad Townsend
@townbrad
“We’re not done at all. This is just the beginning.” — Nico Harrison


At least they seem to know the current roster is still not close.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

Sometimes the players just mesh well. We saw that with Dinwiddie when he got here. It can’t be counted on, and I do question if Kyrie is the one that was the bad mesher. I remember a quote from him saying they needed a training camp to get right or something like that.

I'd say that Luka was the bad mesher.  He has to expand his style of play and especially his pace & playing off the ball.  We need Kyrie/Luka to function like Murray/Jokic.  Given certain matchups one may be the distributor the other the scorer, then completely swap that around given another matchup.  Who would have thought Murray would average over 10 assists in a series.

[ItsGoTime]

What were those instances?

IMO, Green ultimately isn't a great fit with Luka/Kyrie given he's much more of a SG than SF.  We have to get more rebounding out of the 3 spot.  Green, Bullock, THJ, etc aren't it.  I would trade Green for Eason in a heartbeat.  We need someone in that mold, someone to fit that swing of SF/PF need before OMax is ready.

In the Kyrie trade Bkn wanted Green and we wouldn’t add him. In the Alt trade proposal, Atl wanted Green and that’s why we don’t have Capela right now, pretty much.

[ItsGoTime]

What were those instances?

IMO, Green ultimately isn't a great fit with Luka/Kyrie given he's much more of a SG than SF.  We have to get more rebounding out of the 3 spot.  Green, Bullock, THJ, etc aren't it.  I would trade Green for Eason in a heartbeat.  We need someone in that mold, someone to fit that swing of SF/PF need before OMax is ready.

Also, as far as Green, Luka doesn’t guard guards on defense and we don’t have a point of attack (POA) defender. This is Green’s job to lose IMO. Just because they aren’t including him in trades now, doesn’t mean at the TDL they won’t. I think that becomes a possibility if he is shown to not be that POA defender we need. Until then, I think they are bought into him.

I am with you on Eason, I would like to figure out a trade to get him, but it also sounds like Hou likes him too. Their trade down names being floated were Kenyon Martin Jr and Jae’sean Tate.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

In the Kyrie trade Bkn wanted Green and we wouldn’t add him. In the Alt trade proposal, Atl wanted Green and that’s why we don’t have Capela right now, pretty much.

And I'm pleased we didn't include Green in either of those deals.  I hate the idea of Capela or Ayton.  I've come around on Turner after I was able to substantiate his defensive worth.  I'd be willing to include Green in a deal for Turner, J.Allen, Z.Collins, Zubac, or Eason.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

Also, as far as Green, Luka doesn’t guard guards on defense and we don’t have a point of attack (POA) defender. This is Green’s job to lose IMO. Just because they aren’t including him in trades now, doesn’t mean at the TDL they won’t. I think that becomes a possibility if he is shown to not be that POA defender we need. Until then, I think they are bought into him.

I am with you on Eason, I would like to figure out a trade to get him, but it also sounds like Hou likes him too. Their trade down names being floated were Kenyon Martin Jr and Jae’sean Tate.

Gotcha.  Yes, Luka is best guarding SF/PFs.  If he could ever stay healthy, Maxi is an excellent POA.  I would like someone much longer than Green in that role.

Ah.  I thought Eason was buried behind KMJ and Tate.  I would value them in this order: Eason, KMJ, and Tate.  Any of three would give us a player we don't have at this point.

[ItsGoTime]

Gotcha.  Yes, Luka is best guarding SF/PFs.  If he could ever stay healthy, Maxi is an excellent POA.  I would like someone much longer than Green in that role.

Ah.  I thought Eason was buried behind KMJ and Tate.  I would value them in this order: Eason, KMJ, and Tate.  Any of three would give us a player we don't have at this point.

I can’t get there with you on KMJ, but Tate and Eason? You bet!

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

I can’t get there with you on KMJ, but Tate and Eason? You bet!

Why so?

[StrandedOnBeauboisHill]

Right now, the only first we can trade is 2027.  Our 2025 is tied up until 2024 conveys to NY (presumably).  2026 can't be traded until 2025 clears.  2028 can't be traded because we gave 2029 to Brooklyn.  2025 2nd is also tied up in the pick we owe NY.

I think the way to look at this is after next year's draft we project to have 2025 and 2027 firsts and a 2025 second to work with.  We will also (presumably) have THJ, Holmes and McGee on expiring deals that summer.  If it were me, I'd shoot for some more improvement at the margins this summer and take the big swing next summer.

We will also have 2031 FRP (and SRP?) as well.

One thing I'm curious about is the remaining TPE.  I know that this asset can not be paired with any player's contract on the roster in a trade but curious if anything has changed with the new CBA in terms of pairing it with other assets.  My understanding is that you can now trade other exceptions like the MLE and BAE, it feels like we probably can't pair the remaining TPE with those but curious if anyone can confirm that?  Would be a nice boost to our MLE to be able to outbid everyone.

[DanSchwartzgan]

One thing I'm curious about is the remaining TPE.  I know that this asset can not be paired with any player's contract on the roster in a trade but curious if anything has changed with the new CBA in terms of pairing it with other assets.   

Short answer about the TE and MLE being combined is no.  

Medium answer is FG has said starting in 24/25 certain teams can use the MLE like a TE, but no reason to believe they will let anyone expand that by adding salary to it.

Long answer, the deal isn't closed yet.  So, technically we don't yet have a TE.  We have Bertans outgoing and Holmes incoming.  We can do anything else within the new 23/24 rules that we want until the deal closes.  So, if you want to add Reggie (for instance) to the Bertans outgoing and bring back something else....you can.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

Stop gap at SF for next year.... Harrison Barnes? Upgrade to THJ. Not sexy, but better defense, almost identical numbers, bigger, and can play SF/PF. Barnes looked good in the playoffs.

[Tyler]

Long answer, the deal isn't closed yet.  So, technically we don't yet have a TE.  We have Bertans outgoing and Holmes incoming.  We can do anything else within the new 23/24 rules that we want until the deal closes.  So, if you want to add Reggie (for instance) to the Bertans outgoing and bring back something else....you can.

Exactly. And I also don't think we should assume that Holmes is here to stay, at least until after FA. The primary target for Dallas in that deal was OMax. With the deal still open, Dallas can expand it to package Holmes with other players in another move.

[F Gump]

Brad Townsend
@townbrad
“We’re not done at all. This is just the beginning.” — Nico Harrison


At least they seem to know the current roster is still not close.

One possible route is to just fill in the open slots with free agents, in whatever way the CBA allows.

The current roster is
C - Holmes, Lively, McGee
PF - Maxi, Prosper
SF - Luka, THJ
SG - Green, Bullock
PG - Kyrie, Hardy

Assuming Kyrie at the same salary as Luka (a bit over 40M), and a cap that lands at the highest possible number ($136,0210,000 - a hair over the 136M just projected), we can calculate where the tax line will likely land, and also the other numbers like MLEs, BAE, minimums, rookie scale. The exact numbers get announced in early July, and some may be rounded (which is NBA's pattern).

But using the likely numbers, and assuming Mavs sign 14 (the minimum) rather than 15, the Mavs have 3 players left to sign, with the following money available:

NonTxMLE  approx  12.405M
1 One-Year Veteran Minimum  approx  2.0197M
BAE (maybe just missing a sliver)  4.515M  (Mavs may not quite have enough for all of this, or want to leave a bit of a cushion)

How would they fill in those blanks? Who might they target with MLE, BAE, minimum?

Of course, if they make a trade, the totals change, so these calculations may become irrelevant, and it may also change the number of slots being filled.

Or if they decide they want 15 players, then the BAE gets scrapped and they land at 171.5M with a small cushion under the 172M-or-so hard cap. In which case, it's MLE, minimum, minimum, minimum.

Or if some team wants Wood in a snt, then the player(s) in return will use that money and fill in those 3 slots to some degree.

[F Gump]

We will also have 2031 FRP (and SRP?) as well.

One thing I'm curious about is the remaining TPE.  I know that this asset can not be paired with any player's contract on the roster in a trade but curious if anything has changed with the new CBA in terms of pairing it with other assets.  My understanding is that you can now trade other exceptions like the MLE and BAE...

TPE cannot be combined with anything.

The Mavs leftover TPE sliver (once the draft-day trade is done in July) will be 3.147M. It will probably go unused, because it will be unlikely to find that small of a contract given away that they Mavs want.

The use of MLE (other than TxMLE) and BAE to take a player in trade (like a TPE) will not begin until July 2024. That use will be like any other TPE:
- they cannot be combined with anything to take a bigger salaried player
- the use is at 100%
- they can be used in pieces - for example, a 12.4M MLE could be used to trade for players making 8M and 4.4M
- because of this added feature, unused MLE and BAE will not prorate downward in size until the trade deadline

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

One possible route is to just fill in the open slots with free agents, in whatever way the CBA allows.

The current roster is
C - Holmes, Lively, McGee
PF - Maxi, Prosper
SF - Luka, THJ
SG - Green, Bullock
PG - Kyrie, Hardy

Assuming Kyrie at the same salary as Luka (a bit over 40M), and a cap that lands at the highest possible number ($136,0210,000 - a hair over the 136M just projected), we can calculate where the tax line will likely land, and also the other numbers like MLEs, BAE, minimums, rookie scale. The exact numbers get announced in early July, and some may be rounded (which is NBA's pattern).

But using the likely numbers, and assuming Mavs sign 14 (the minimum) rather than 15, the Mavs have 3 players left to sign, with the following money available:

NonTxMLE  approx  12.405M
1 One-Year Veteran Minimum  approx  2.0197M
BAE (maybe just missing a sliver)  4.515M  (Mavs may not quite have enough for all of this, or want to leave a bit of a cushion)

How would they fill in those blanks? Who might they target with MLE, BAE, minimum?

Of course, if they make a trade, the totals change, so these calculations may become irrelevant, and it may also change the number of slots being filled.

Or if they decide they want 15 players, then the BAE gets scrapped and they land at 171.5M with a small cushion under the 172M-or-so hard cap. In which case, it's MLE, minimum, minimum, minimum.

Or if some team wants Wood in a snt, then the player(s) in return will use that money and fill in those 3 slots to some degree.

That is a worse rebounding team than this year.  If we play Luka with 2 guards, the 2 bigs have to be really good rebounders.  Maxi is our only switching defender, but his rebounding is terrible, not to mention his availability.

Unless a Wood SNT is involved with deal for a defensive and rebounding big, we need his rebounding and him as a third scorer.

[Jym]

Unless a Wood SNT is involved with deal for a defensive and rebounding big, we need his rebounding and him as a third scorer.

That ship has sailed