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RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - omahen - 06-20-2023 I wouldn't be surprised to see Morris twins on Mavs, especially if he gets dealed to Washington for CP3. His contract is expiring, so not bad. No idea how Mavs could pull it off, since they don't have small draft assets. How about a package for a lightly protected 2027 FRP, basically similar to what Lakers did? That could even allow Mavs to keep #10 pick and still get solid rotation. Was: salary fillers, lightly protected 2027 Mavs: Avdija, Morris, Gafford https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1670890614332747776 RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Beal traded to PHX| Draymond opts out, Warriors want to resign - ItsGoTime - 06-20-2023 (06-20-2023, 05:00 AM)omahen Wrote: I don't think Boston would be willing to trade Brogdon and Williams for just Wood. I still think, if contender wants Wood, he can choose the MLE way (either full or taxpayer, depending what contender has). I don't think a contender would be willing to pay him more than a "prove it" deal.My limit for him is at $14-15M. Enough over MLE to get him excited and put him out of range for any other MLE bids. Also prob more than Bos would want him for. The speculation on Brog is that they have a logjam of minutes in the G rotation, I suspect them getting a few seconds in return for trading him into space. If Hou whiffs on their G targets, they could be in play too. Add the SRP (or more from us if we get some at the draft) for the Williams Wood swap (Wood at MLE money and Williams at $14-$15 or whatever is legal) and it’s not nothing to stay under the cap until Brown’s extension kicks in. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Beal traded to PHX| Draymond opts out, Warriors want to resign - ItsGoTime - 06-20-2023 I’m not excited to revisit trading with NYK, but I think this trade makes sense for both teams: Kleber/McGee/10 to NYK Hartenstein/Toppin/Sims/our 24 back to Mavs I think getting a big overhaul is needed here. Hart and Toppin CAN start if we don’t find anything else to put in front of them (Collins and their protected 29 FRP for Bertans and Bullock anyone? How about a Williams signing?). Sims can get development minutes if he’s not ready. Vet min Powell is the alternative to Sims if he’s not up to snuff to be the backup C. NYK use the pick to be one of the centerpieces to an OG or KAT trade. Kleber is reunited with JB and is as always a great complement to any big you put next to him (Randle, Mitchell or KAT). Sims/McGee swap balances out the trade. If #10 is worth more than 3 protected FRPs, I think this satisfies that value. Toppin and Hartenstein are worth a protected pick each. Our 24 is a protected pick. McGee swapped for Sims bridges the gap in value between the 10 and 11 pick. Kleber is hoped to be neutral value with his extension kicking in (if not, add that negative value to the McGee swap). RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - Chicagojk - 06-20-2023 (06-20-2023, 05:18 AM)omahen Wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to see Morris twins on Mavs, especially if he gets dealed to Washington for CP3. His contract is expiring, so not bad. No idea how Mavs could pull it off, since they don't have small draft assets. How about a package for a lightly protected 2027 FRP, basically similar to what Lakers did? That could even allow Mavs to keep #10 pick and still get solid rotation. That seems awfully light for Washington, but I would love this. I was looking for a higher tier player using a future first, but to get all three seems like too much. Gafford is a guy if you catch on the right night is fabulous. I wouldn't count him more than a good backup and one who is overpaid. But he could find a role here. Morris is a stop gap, but could also provide 20-25 minutes, I think. He would not be the reason for the trade but a solid win now move. Avdija is the prize to me. He is a gamble as he not been very good in the NBA. But he is big, young and can defend. He would be a good gamble to take. All this and you still have pick #10. Not bad. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Beal traded to PHX| Draymond opts out, Warriors want to resign - Chicagojk - 06-20-2023 I think my biggest issue with the Capella trade options is that it makes us better, but not good enough. Long term, it makes it so important to his pick #15. In 1-2 years Capella is gone and what do we have left? I am sure that is the same if we keep #10 where that pick could bust. But i just feel like we are playing the middle ground in a trade like that (I like the idea of playing the middle in previous discussions) but I think this leaves us potentially not good enough for now, and lacking the young good developmental pieces moving forward. Sort of no mans land. Why am I wrong? Would like to hear others disagreements. RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - omahen - 06-20-2023 (06-20-2023, 08:16 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: That seems awfully light for Washington, but I would love this. I was looking for a higher tier player using a future first, but to get all three seems like too much. Gafford is a guy if you catch on the right night is fabulous. I wouldn't count him more than a good backup and one who is overpaid. But he could find a role here. Morris is a stop gap, but could also provide 20-25 minutes, I think. He would not be the reason for the trade but a solid win now move. Avdija is the prize to me. He is a gamble as he not been very good in the NBA. But he is big, young and can defend. He would be a good gamble to take. Lakers got Russel (better value than Morris at the time of the trade), Beasley (I would say same value as Gafford) and Haliburton (good player on a rookie deal, cost controlled for another year) for lightly protected pick. I wouldn't think that is far from the Washington proposal I did. Depends of course, how they see Avdija. If they see a star in the making, than they are not trading him anyway. If they are willing to move on (drafted by previous regime), than it could be perhaps done. While Avdija has potential, it is still just theoretic, as his shot didn't improve after three years in the league. RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - omahen - 06-20-2023 Toronto doesn't seem to want to rebuild anyway, so not jump to too many conclusions https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1671162416569409541 Toppin fans may start creating fantasy trades https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1671161496796286976 Of course they were. Looking at the poo poo platter Washington got for Beal, they would be stupid to even consider it... https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1671146238140465152 RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Beal traded to PHX| Draymond opts out, Warriors want to resign - Scott41theMavs - 06-20-2023 (06-20-2023, 09:16 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think my biggest issue with the Capella trade options is that it makes us better, but not good enough. Long term, it makes it so important to his pick #15. In 1-2 years Capella is gone and what do we have left? Thing is, this is a nine-player draft, with 1) several additional players with promise outside that nine, and 2) several rumors of the teams above us reaching on a pick. Why not just pick at 10 and make sure you get this year's Donovan Mitchell instead of this year's DSJ? RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - omahen - 06-20-2023 Well, if Bilal is available at 10 and the Spurs are willing to trade Keldon Johnson, I would like it https://twitter.com/_TradeDeadline/status/1671162811031117826 RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - ItsGoTime - 06-20-2023 (06-20-2023, 09:43 AM)omahen Wrote: Well, if Bilal is available at 10 and the Spurs are willing to trade Keldon Johnson, I would like itI honestly don’t know exactly how TE’s work, but I wonder if this gets us a $19M one? Bertans/Bullock/McGee/10 to SA Sochan/Collins/$19M TE/3 SRPs to Dal Something like that? Would like to see us step into FA with that kind of buying power and some SRPs. RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - Luka77 - 06-20-2023 (06-20-2023, 05:18 AM)omahen Wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to see Morris twins on Mavs, especially if he gets dealed to Washington for CP3. His contract is expiring, so not bad. No idea how Mavs could pull it off, since they don't have small draft assets. How about a package for a lightly protected 2027 FRP, basically similar to what Lakers did? That could even allow Mavs to keep #10 pick and still get solid rotation. I don't think these guys are worth lightly protect first after Luka's contract is up. Avdija hasn't proven to get better in the NBA. His shot was a questionable at best when he entered the league and hasn't improved since. Morris and Gafford are backups. Gafford being overpaid to be a one demimensional rim runner and defender similar to Rashaun Holmes who Sac can't get rid off. RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - Chicagojk - 06-20-2023 Looks like Portland didn't like the leak floated out there that Miami bypassed Beal and instead was waiting for Dame to request a trade https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/1671171428341919745 RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - omahen - 06-20-2023 (06-20-2023, 09:58 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I honestly don’t know exactly how TE’s work, but I wonder if this gets us a $19M one? I can't provide exact explanation. If I understand correctly, TE is basically the difference between the outgoing and incoming (but not taking into account the 125 % factor). FGump will provide the exact explanation. As for the deal - all accounts are, that Sochan is untouchable. He was 9th pick last year and has great potential. In addition to that, SA would be taking a bunch ob bad money (cap space has value) and pay 3 SRP. I am affraid valuation is far off, no matter how much they might like Bilal. The only player from their core (Wemby, Sochan, Vassel, Johnson) that could be available is Johnson. What you could perhaps do from your proposal - remove Sochan and insert one of the less talented guys on rookie deals they have (Wesley, Branham, Bassey). They might be available in such a deal. RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - Luka77 - 06-20-2023 (06-20-2023, 09:43 AM)omahen Wrote: Well, if Bilal is available at 10 and the Spurs are willing to trade Keldon Johnson, I would like it If the Mavs are moving out the first and SAS are desperate to move in, I would make it hurt. Johnson and Vessell (he plays the same position as Bilal and Ausar) for #10 and some draft assests. In no way am I helping SAS build there team. RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - omahen - 06-20-2023 (06-20-2023, 10:13 AM)Luka77 Wrote: If the Mavs are moving out the first and SAS are desperate to move in, I would make it hurt. Why not just say, you are not making the deal? No way SA accepts that . If they really, really, really like the guy at #10, you might squeeze some minor draft assets in addition to Johnson, but no way they include Vassel. Vassel and Bilal could easily play as SG and SF. At least this is how I see it. Johnson is 20ppg wing on a below 20 per contract for four more years. High energy guy. His shooting has been good when they still had a good PG, dropped last year when he had to create more by himself. Improved each year so far. He is definitely worth #10 pick on the market. It is just a question if you see him as a fit on Mavs or not. RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - Scott41theMavs - 06-20-2023 (06-20-2023, 10:05 AM)omahen Wrote: I can't provide exact explanation. If I understand correctly, TE is basically the difference between the outgoing and incoming (but not taking into account the 125 % factor). FGump will provide the exact explanation. Thing is, if we're giving up our only first this year with no first coming back, gotta get something back in return. If it's too rich for them, no deal. RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - MarkAguirreWrathofGod - 06-20-2023 I don’t think SA would even entertain trading Sochan. I think they’d trade Keldon Johnson first. RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - omahen - 06-20-2023 https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1671177851276517376 RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - Scott41theMavs - 06-20-2023 (06-20-2023, 10:28 AM)omahen Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1671177851276517376 How magnanimous of them. RE: AROUND the NBA:Morant Suspended 25gms|Jordan sells Hornets for 3B|Dunleavy Jr new GM - DallasMaverick - 06-20-2023 (06-20-2023, 10:28 AM)omahen Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1671177851276517376 Of course. High volume, low efficiency guy who needs the ball to be effective. Russell Westbrook starter kit. |