(06-17-2023, 07:50 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: Are we sure?
I mean it seems they want better player and in such case they will give something more for him.
In Dallas case, we are giving them inferior player so they get something. 
I mean the article they would like to make a trade for Siakam, I would argue that he is worth trading pick for.

(06-17-2023, 02:52 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: For a team who's trying to get win now players, the Mavs neither has a win now coach or a win now GM.

(06-17-2023, 08:40 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/37857976/zion-williamson-trades-want-see-including-teaming-damian-lillard-lamelo-ball




Here are 5 trade recommendations for Zion.

(06-17-2023, 11:44 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: You're 100% correct on the coach. I was about to spring to the defense of Nico, Lindsay, and Finley, then I remembered who's really in charge. That isn't fixable until he sells the team, tbh.

(06-17-2023, 06:43 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: For some reason (probably aggregation) we spent a whole day on Collins based on reporting from Jake Fischer.  But if you read what he actually wrote (below), it is pretty clear Dallas is the team saying no to Collins.  Not only do they prefer Capela, but it would take Capela’s inclusion for them to even “consider” such a scenario.  I interpret that to mean a 10 for 15 swap might require Atlanta to put up another asset.

In “Atlanta, the Hawks will continue to explore trade scenarios for Collins. That has so far included preliminary talks with Dallas about swapping Collins and the No. 15 pick in the draft with the Mavericks for the No. 10 pick and Dāvis Bertāns. Those talks did not develop very far, sources said, and Dallas indicated it would be more willing to consider that deal if Hawks center Clint Capela was the returning player from Atlanta


The article goes on to say Atlanta might consider trading down to move Collins.  So, not only is Collins not worth a move up, Atlanta might have to give something to move him.  That aligns with previous reporting that it would take less than a first to get Collins.  Brooklyn is mentioned as a trade down candidate for Atlanta.  It also mentions that Atlanta might combine a bunch of its assets in a deal for Siakam.  In both cases, there might be an opportunity for Dallas to get involved in a 3 way that gives up 10 and yields more than just Capela.  Even if it is “just” Capela, adding a quality center and moving on from Bertans has value.  All of this is a far cry from Givony’s deal with Detroit.  Fischer in the past has had some stuff in advance of it actually happening, so I like where this appears to be heading.

(06-17-2023, 12:39 PM)F Gump Wrote: Like you, I do think Capela is way more desirable in DAL than Collins, and would hope for a deal that looks something like this:
DAL gets Capella, 15, Johnson
ATL gets Bertans, 10, McGee

(06-17-2023, 01:16 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: If moving up 5 spots in the draft is worth a starting C and a young player with potential all while dumping 2 undesirable contracts, count me in. Put me down as skeptical that it’s close to a workable deal though.

(06-17-2023, 01:21 PM)Jym Wrote: Yeah I wonder if something like THJ + 10 for Capela + 15 would be more likely

(06-17-2023, 12:39 PM)F Gump Wrote: This sounds like the real climate for Collins. Thanks for sharing.

Collins contract, compared to his actual usefulness on the court, is a real problem for ATL. They have been shopping him, but haven't been able to find a taker, because no one else wants to have to eat the bad contract for them. The idea that they will have to ADD side value in order to get a taker seems right. A lot of the discussion in this forum fantasizes about Collins and how he would be great to have, but those ideas gloss right over how he plays and imagines him to be something he hasn't been for quite some time.

Like you, I do think Capela is way more desirable in DAL than Collins, and would hope for a deal that looks something like this:
DAL gets Capella, 15, Johnson
ATL gets Bertans, 10, McGee

(06-17-2023, 12:39 PM)F Gump Wrote: Like you, I do think Capela is way more desirable in DAL than Collins, and would hope for a deal that looks something like this:
DAL gets Capella, 15, Johnson
ATL gets Bertans, 10, McGee

Quote:Developing: Washington is in serious talks with two finalists – Miami and Phoenix – on a Bradley Beal trade, sources tell
@TheAthletic @Stadium. The Suns have emerged as a serious threat for Beal, who holds a no-trade clause.

(06-17-2023, 01:21 PM)Jym Wrote: Yeah I wonder if something like THJ + 10 for Capela + 15 would be more likely

(06-17-2023, 01:58 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I'd actually throw in Bey vs. Johnson. 

Bey has shown that he can score in spurts. Johnson is more raw with higher upside. Still that framework is right in line with what I was imagining with a Collins trade. Although never discount my ability to somehow turn it into a 3-teamer for either Deandre Ayton or Buddy Hield. 

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(06-17-2023, 01:52 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: DAL gets Capella, 15, Johnson
ATL gets Bertans, 10, McGee

Yeah, I had this trade of yours echoing in my head as I wrote that.  It feels a little heavy toward Dallas to me.  Johnson is kind of the Powell to Rondo in this deal as Johnson will likely be around long after Capela is gone.  Getting rid of McGee AND Bertans seems too good to be true (at least for Capela).  
Of course, Fischer isn’t in the room, so no telling what is being thrown around.  Lots of mix and match possibilities here.   Atlanta is a hair under the tax, so that has to be considered in a June trade.

Quote:The Pacers, Raptors, and Mavs could engage in a three-team deal that would send OG Anunoby to Indiana, multiple first-round picks that would include the No. 7 overall pick to Toronto, and Buddy Hield to Dallas.

Toronto is actively exploring options to move up in the draft.

(06-17-2023, 02:10 PM)Knutsen Wrote: Wonder what the Suns could possibly offer to be a finalist for Beal, with the Heat. Must be a package around Ayton, wouldn’t it? 

Porzingis and Ayton on the Wizards, I don‘t know. 

And the Suns are one of the few teams with a better shooting guard than Beal in Booker, or do they want Booker to play point guard…? Strange from all perspectives, but what do I know.