(06-16-2023, 01:27 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: So Orlando, I would be interested in Bitadze as a Marquis Chriss TE pick up...
10 for 11 & 36 is a bit light, but if there is indeed a bidding war, make it happen.

In my perfect scenario, 11 would still get you a deal with BKN at 21/22 and 21 would be enough to get Atlanta to accept a trade down for taking Collins.

(06-16-2023, 05:54 PM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: I would rather:

To Dallas: Capella, Collins, Theis, McConnell  (Mavs keep 10)

To Atlanta: Bertans, Bullock, #26, #31  (Atl keeps 15)

To Indy: THJ, #46

Kyrie
Green
Luka
Collins
Capela

Hardy
Maxi
McConnell
Theis
MLE
#10
Minimums

Collins is the ballast that nets Capella.  Hawks get later picks and Indy gets a more valuable player than the bench players they give up.

(06-16-2023, 05:46 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: He’s the Haywood to Lively’s TC.

(06-16-2023, 04:56 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Yep, saw this earlier, I posted this trade a couple weeks ago. Had us drafting Lively at 15 and like the other Tweet says, Mavs shore up their big rotation for years. Capela has 2 years on contract, just enough time for Lively to be ready to start and Capela to come off the bench with an appropriate contract.

(06-16-2023, 04:27 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: https://twitter.com/mavs_ffl/status/1669816958416461830?s=46&t=-lW3MUk_hy_SiUq46U-6RA

Report: Mavs want Clint Capela and the 15th pick, per
@JakeLFischer

(06-16-2023, 06:09 PM)Playmaker Wrote: This board over rates Lively way too much.  He averaged 5 point and 5 rebounds.  The points aren't a big deal but players that don't rebound in the NCAA tend not to do so in the NBA.

Unless he goes bottom third of the first and the Mavs some how acquire another pick late, I pass.

My draft list
1. Walker
2. Couilably
3. TRADE down for a pick(s) and a vet(s)
4. Hendricks
5. Black
6. Cason Wallace
7. Bufkin or JHS

(06-16-2023, 06:59 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: My guess in the Predictions thread is Capela as our starting center, but Clowney as the draft pick instead of Lively.  Clowney has two position upside.  He can be a small ball center and with some development, can spread the floor at PF.  He didn’t shoot 3’s well in college, but his stroke looks good.  I don’t see how Lively and Capela can share the floor, but I do see the day Capela and Clowney could share the floor.

(06-16-2023, 08:59 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Ya, I don’t mind that pick, I just see Capela starting to slip and as more of a stop gap that if we can find our long term starter he would work great off the bench to end his career. Allen, I think fixes the long term solution, but there are no rumors surrounding him.

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Also, I’m kindof hoping that they get 1 pick in this draft and any additional picks are in the future.

(06-16-2023, 09:04 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I would too (future draft pick), but the Jake Fischer rumor was specific to Bertans.  Not going to happen with Bertans outgoing for Capela.

(06-17-2023, 02:52 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: For a team who's trying to get win now players, the Mavs neither has a win now coach or a win now GM.

(06-17-2023, 06:43 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: For some reason (probably aggregation) we spent a whole day on Collins based on reporting from Jake Fischer.  But if you read what he actually wrote (below), it is pretty clear Dallas is the team saying no to Collins.  Not only do they prefer Capela, but it would take Capela’s inclusion for them to even “consider” such a scenario.  I interpret that to mean a 10 for 15 swap might require Atlanta to put up another asset.

In “Atlanta, the Hawks will continue to explore trade scenarios for Collins. That has so far included preliminary talks with Dallas about swapping Collins and the No. 15 pick in the draft with the Mavericks for the No. 10 pick and Dāvis Bertāns. Those talks did not develop very far, sources said, and Dallas indicated it would be more willing to consider that deal if Hawks center Clint Capela was the returning player from Atlanta


The article goes on to say Atlanta might consider trading down to move Collins.  So, not only is Collins not worth a move up, Atlanta might have to give something to move him.  That aligns with previous reporting that it would take less than a first to get Collins.  Brooklyn is mentioned as a trade down candidate for Atlanta.  It also mentions that Atlanta might combine a bunch of its assets in a deal for Siakam.  In both cases, there might be an opportunity for Dallas to get involved in a 3 way that gives up 10 and yields more than just Capela.  Even if it is “just” Capela, adding a quality center and moving on from Bertans has value.  All of this is a far cry from Givony’s deal with Detroit.  Fischer in the past has had some stuff in advance of it actually happening, so I like where this appears to be heading.

(06-17-2023, 07:26 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: We would still get 15 though right?

(06-17-2023, 06:43 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: In “Atlanta, the Hawks will continue to explore trade scenarios for Collins. That has so far included preliminary talks with Dallas about swapping Collins and the No. 15 pick in the draft with the Mavericks for the No. 10 pick and Dāvis Bertāns. Those talks did not develop very far, sources said, and Dallas indicated it would be more willing to consider that deal if Hawks center Clint Capela was the returning player from Atlanta


The article goes on to say Atlanta might consider trading down to move Collins.  So, not only is Collins not worth a move up, Atlanta might have to give something to move him. 

(06-17-2023, 07:48 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Yes, if the deal is just Atlanta.  If Dallas needs more to “consider” such a deal, is more Atlanta also taking McGee?  Is it adding one of the inexpensive youngsters like Johnson?  

All sorts of things open up if this is a bigger deal with Toronto or Brooklyn.  Maybe Toronto gets 10 and 15 as part of a deal for Siakam and the “something more” from Atlanta is 13 instead of 15.  

Maybe Johnson is too much for Atlanta to give with 15, but they are also doing a Collins deal with Brooklyn that moves 15 for 21.  Would you rather have 15 or 21/Johnson?  I’d take Johnson and the lower pick.