(06-11-2023, 04:17 PM)JamesConway912 Wrote: Wouldn’t a Hendricks-Ayton-frontcourt be a pretty darn good fit? Plenty athletic, Hendricks can shoot the three, Ayton from the elbow, both can catch lobs, both a lot more mobile than your usual PF/C so you don’t have to play drop coverage but when you do they both are capable of blocking shots. I’m intrigued, would be willing to move all of Kleber/Hardaway/Bullock and even Hardy if you have to to get it done (preferably try another way to acquire Ayton though).

Kyrie
Green
Luka
Hendricks
Ayton

6th man: Hardy

Maybe you can eat some more unwanted salary if push comes to shove.

(06-10-2023, 06:24 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Jokic   -   Doncic
Murray   -   Irving
Gordon   -   Reid
Porter Jr   -   Wood
KCP   -   Green
Brown   -   THJ
Green   -   Bullock
Braun   -   Hardy

I think we've somewhat agreed these two 8-man rotations are comparable.  Here's my take on who has an advantage in offensive categories...

Overall Offense - Tie
Scoring - Mavs
Efficiency - Nuggs
Range - Mavs
Jump Shooting - Mavs
Scoring in the Paint - Nuggs
Fast Break - Nuggs
Foul Drawing - Mavs
Isolation - Mavs
Distribution - Mavs
Rebounding - Nuggs




Thoughts?

(06-12-2023, 09:30 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: I don't really see the comps. Dallas is not better than Denver in ball distribution. They have Luka but Murray and Jokic are better than Luka and Kyrie. How are they better at drawing fouls? Both teams do a good job at that.Jump shooting is a wash as well as overall offense. Just think if MPJ wasn't in his shooting slump?  This final would have been over. Denver is so deep, they haven't needed him. I really don't see any category the Mavs have a clear cut edge. And where did Reid come from?

(06-12-2023, 10:33 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: While I do not agree with the whole premise where your response was directed at, I think there is some truth in the Jokic/Murray vs. Luka/Kyrie.   Jokic/Murray a much better positional fit though.  You also need to live in the present.   Jokic has such a positive force while on the court.  I can't really say the same for Luka this year (while this may be unfair due to the burden he is asked to carry).  While they played well with Jokic on the bench this past game, most games they crater when Jokic is not in the game.   But Luka, at his best, is in the same neighborhood as Jokic.

Murray and Kyrie are comparable talents.   Murray is on the upswing though.  While the last few years of Kyrie are questionable at best.    But could I squint and see Kyrie have the same impact Murray is having in  this playoff run?  Yes, I think I can.

If the Mavs re-sign Kyrie, then they have done the hard part.   Big question, will Kyrie stay sane and healthy?  Beside that though, the type of moves Denver has made needs to be the standard for the Mavs.  Just solid singles and doubles.   Sometimes a single surprises you and you wind up with much more.  But you just need to be disciplined, evaluate talent, be aggressive when available, patient when it is not and make smart move after smart move.   fight for every scrap in deals.   Don't think a second round pick is worthless.   Don't cater in contract negotiations where you overpay by a few million in salary demands..etc.  Every little thing matters.

(06-12-2023, 11:50 AM)SwisherPrice Wrote: It's difficult to compare the Mavs and Nuggets in terms of roster-building. Denver's current product is a result of years of developing players and trades. Going back 4-5 years ago when they had good rotational players like Gary Harris, Will Barton, Monte Morris.

Barton/Morris --> Traded for KCP
Harris --> Traded for Aaron Gordon

Since they had Jokic/Murray + a deep roster, they could afford to take a chance on drafting MPJ and be patient with his recovery coming out of college. I remember in that draft, there was a lot of concern about taking MPJ too early since he wouldn't be able to play immediately but once he fell to #14, it was a no-brainer for Denver.

It's just great overall front office work that is reminiscent of the Warriors

(06-12-2023, 11:50 AM)SwisherPrice Wrote: It's difficult to compare the Mavs and Nuggets in terms of roster-building. Denver's current product is a result of years of developing players and trades. Going back 4-5 years ago when they had good rotational players like Gary Harris, Will Barton, Monte Morris.

Barton/Morris --> Traded for KCP
Harris --> Traded for Aaron Gordon

Since they had Jokic/Murray + a deep roster, they could afford to take a chance on drafting MPJ and be patient with his recovery coming out of college. I remember in that draft, there was a lot of concern about taking MPJ too early since he wouldn't be able to play immediately but once he fell to #14, it was a no-brainer for Denver.

It's just great overall front office work that is reminiscent of the Warriors

(06-12-2023, 10:33 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: While I do not agree with the whole premise where your response was directed at, I think there is some truth in the Jokic/Murray vs. Luka/Kyrie.   Jokic/Murray a much better positional fit though.  You also need to live in the present.   Jokic has such a positive force while on the court.  I can't really say the same for Luka this year (while this may be unfair due to the burden he is asked to carry).  While they played well with Jokic on the bench this past game, most games they crater when Jokic is not in the game.   But Luka, at his best, is in the same neighborhood as Jokic.

Murray and Kyrie are comparable talents.   Murray is on the upswing though.  While the last few years of Kyrie are questionable at best.    But could I squint and see Kyrie have the same impact Murray is having in  this playoff run?  Yes, I think I can.

If the Mavs re-sign Kyrie, then they have done the hard part.   Big question, will Kyrie stay sane and healthy?  Beside that though, the type of moves Denver has made needs to be the standard for the Mavs.  Just solid singles and doubles.   Sometimes a single surprises you and you wind up with much more.  But you just need to be disciplined, evaluate talent, be aggressive when available, patient when it is not and make smart move after smart move.   fight for every scrap in deals.   Don't think a second round pick is worthless.   Don't cater in contract negotiations where you overpay by a few million in salary demands..etc.  Every little thing matters.

(06-12-2023, 03:33 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: That's fair enough JK. I like your posts and mostly agree with you. I just don't think the Dallas braintrust has the wherewithal to build a contender on the fly, which is what they're looking at. Denver has been building towards this culmination for at least 4 years and it was derailed when Murray got injured. It takes time and shrewd and smart decisions. Connelly got the ball rolling, then when he left Booth took over and got them to what looks to be the finish line.

(06-12-2023, 06:11 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Shams is reporting Pelicans are exploring moving up to 2 for Scoot.  These trades very rarely happen and most are not even true.  But Pelicans have the assets if they wanted to move up.  It would start with Ingram right?  I think I would want Ingram plus something else over Miller, right?  But if I am Charlotte, I think I would pick Scoot over Miller to begin with.

(06-12-2023, 06:29 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Mavs fans will hate it, but it just makes too much sense:

Utah gets: 10 and Bertans

Dallas gets: 16, 28 and one of Gay/THT/Olynyk

(06-12-2023, 06:11 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Shams is reporting Pelicans are exploring moving up to 2 for Scoot.  These trades very rarely happen and most are not even true.  But Pelicans have the assets if they wanted to move up.  It would start with Ingram right?  I think I would want Ingram plus something else over Miller, right?  But if I am Charlotte, I think I would pick Scoot over Miller to begin with.

(06-12-2023, 06:11 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Shams is reporting Pelicans are exploring moving up to 2 for Scoot.  These trades very rarely happen and most are not even true.  But Pelicans have the assets if they wanted to move up.  It would start with Ingram right?  I think I would want Ingram plus something else over Miller, right?  But if I am Charlotte, I think I would pick Scoot over Miller to begin with.

(06-14-2023, 02:53 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: I'm trading Zion way before I'm trading Ingram.

If you're trading Ingram, you might as well start over/rebuild.