(06-10-2023, 06:17 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Rookies can’t contribute in the playoffs
Braun

Can’t expect much out of picks in the 20’s
Braun

Can’t have vet min players part of a playoff rotation
Jeff Green

Can’t find playoff starters for the MLE
Brown

Players that can’t shoot we should avoid
Brown

2nd round picks don’t matter
Jokic

Not to mention all the UDFA’s and two-way guys on Miami

We must find the quality players on the cheap. And just look at the latest move of Denver. All the smart teams will be building through the draft and with other cheap players once they get their max slots filled. No excuse for the Mavs to not start doing this

(06-10-2023, 09:44 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: One of my favorites for MLE Money this year, depending on what else we do, is Naz Reid.   I saw an article by Jake Fischer saying he was a target for the Suns last year.  What happens if he is over an MLE guy at around 15-17 per year.  Tough for Minnesota to justify that money with their current roster.    

So question, any way to give Naz Reid with Hardaway to PhX and Dallas gets Ayton.   Minnesota gets Maxi and ????.   Anyway for that to work without giving up #10 or our young players that would help Minny out???   Maxi and Wood seem like too many big guys for them.    Also not sure how you would make that trade legal.

(06-10-2023, 06:17 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: . . . We must find the quality players on the cheap. And just look at the latest move of Denver. All the smart teams will be building through the draft and with other cheap players once they get their max slots filled. No excuse for the Mavs to not start doing this

(06-09-2023, 10:34 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: I remember when they traded young, athletic Devin Harris for washed-up, slow Jason Kidd.

(06-10-2023, 01:11 PM)audiosway Wrote: Kidd was 35 at the time and didn't come in as the highest paid player on the roster. I'm not saying that there aren't times you don't make trades. LeBron is still a great player even at 38. He's also about a year or two away from retiring and will take up nearly $42 million on the cap per year.

Kidd was a great defender even at 35. This team needs defenders that can shoot. Not an older version of Luka.

(06-10-2023, 01:29 PM)chaparral Wrote: I'm already tired of seeing all the LeBron to Mavs talk.  But I'm sure Cuban is loving it.

(06-10-2023, 01:34 PM)The Jom Wrote: Here’s the thing, though. Mavs traded for Kyrie and tanked to keep their pick for some reason. It wasn’t cause they thought Luka, Kyrie + #10 win a championship. So what was it? Something specific, I’d wager. Not just a hope and a prayer.

(06-10-2023, 06:17 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Rookies can’t contribute in the playoffs
Braun

Can’t expect much out of picks in the 20’s
Braun

Can’t have vet min players part of a playoff rotation
Jeff Green

Can’t find playoff starters for the MLE
Brown

Players that can’t shoot we should avoid
Brown

2nd round picks don’t matter
Jokic

Not to mention all the UDFA’s and two-way guys on Miami

We must find the quality players on the cheap. And just look at the latest move of Denver. All the smart teams will be building through the draft and with other cheap players once they get their max slots filled. No excuse for the Mavs to not start doing this

(06-10-2023, 01:56 PM)SwisherPrice Wrote: Mark Cuban has to be so confused watching the Nuggets dominate. He thinks the only way to have a great team is by creating a Super Team. The Heat Big Three forming in 2010 was so bad for the league but also bad for the Mavs because that's been Cuban's goal for team-building ever since.

(06-10-2023, 02:20 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Am I the only one watching the finals thinking the Luka/Kyrie two-man offensive scheme could be very much like Joker/Murray? IMO, you have Kidd watch EVERY minute of Joker/Murray on the floor at the same time before you look at adding any other pieces to the scheme.

Joker is the embodiment of position-less basketball.  Sound familiar?  For giggles I put Luka into my center rating model.  He ranks 4th, after Joker, Embiid, and AD.  So if you look at offense as position-less (which it should be in 2023), Luka fulfills our needed production as a center.

I don't think there's any argument that Kyrie could be at least as good as Murray in the Murray mode, Luka and Kyrie seamlessly switching ball handling duties precisely like Joker/Murray do.  It reminds me of an amazing band where the guitar players switch from lead to rhythm without a difference to the ear.

That said, let's ignore defense for a moment and see if we can we fill out a roster with the supporting pieces to make a DAL version of the Nuggets' offense work...

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Matching Denver's Top 8 Man Rotation:

Nikola Jokic                       >       Luka Doncic            (younger, smaller, more scoring, less rebounding, more range)
Jammal Murray                  >     Kyrie Irving             (older, slightly smaller, more scoring, more efficient)
Aaron Gordon                    >       Naz Reid                 (younger, bigger, less explosive)
Michael Porter Jr                >       Christian Wood        (older, more rebounding)
K Coldwell-Pope              >>       Josh Green               (younger, taller, much more efficient)
Bruce Brown                     =      Tim Hardaway Jr       (older, more scoring, more range, less efficient, less distribution)
Jeff Green                         =      Markieff Morris          (kinda identical)
Christian Braun               <<       Jaden Hardy             (younger, smaller, more scoring, more range, more distribution, much more explosive)

(06-10-2023, 02:20 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Matching Denver's Top 8 Man Rotation

(06-10-2023, 02:53 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Fixed it for you.

(06-10-2023, 03:07 PM)HAguiar95 Wrote: I think it's a great exercise, but I gotta disagree on some valuations:

Jokic    >   Doncic  - Agreed
Murray < Irving   - I think Kyrie is a better player.   
AG    >> Reid     - Reid is nowhere near AG on defense and hustle.       
MPJ    > Wood   -  MPJ's size actually shows on defense, contrary of Wood.
KCP    = Green   - Green is not there yet on defense, but I think it's a fair comp for next season.           
Brown = THJ      - Different skills, but similar impact.  
Green < Bullock - Bullock actually play 20+ minutes on a playoff team.         
Braun = Hardy   - Still not ther on Hardy unless he shows something on D.

(06-10-2023, 03:34 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Murray is not better than Kyrie, unless he's significantly better on defense.

(06-10-2023, 03:34 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Murray is not better than Kyrie, unless he's significantly better on defense.

(06-10-2023, 03:46 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Last two play-offs:

27/7/5. 50/45/90 shooting, WCF
27/7/6. 48/40/93 shooting, likely NBA championships.

23/4/6. 47/37/92 shooting, 1-4 2nd round exit.
21/5/5. 44/38/100 shooting, 1st round exit sweep.

Murray is a better offensive player than Kyrie and a better defensive player. That´s before we even get into....

26 years old vs. 31 years old, 34M vs. 50M, Sane vs. Insane.

(06-11-2023, 07:07 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Hollinger had a chat with the clippers guy on the athletic.  Several topics but one was the need for the clippers to improve their PF position.  Two names group up was Toppin and Avdjia from Washington.  He threw up Toppin for the clippers 30th pick if the Knicks had concerns about Toppin’s next contract.  I wouldn’t think the Knicks would want to help Dallas as they have our pick probably.  Avdjia is the type of gamble that may make sense for Dallas.  Whatever they decide they need to be right.

I was watching Hendricks highlights yesterday and wonder how him or Walker would look like if you took a super gamble with Jonathan Issac?  That would be a tall wing lineup.  Isaac barely plays any longer and has some other questions, but he could be one of those buy low candidates who could either never play again or turn into a bargain.

(06-11-2023, 07:07 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Hollinger had a chat with the clippers guy on the athletic.  Several topics but one was the need for the clippers to improve their PF position.  Two names group up was Toppin and Avdjia from Washington.  He threw up Toppin for the clippers 30th pick if the Knicks had concerns about Toppin’s next contract.  I wouldn’t think the Knicks would want to help Dallas as they have our pick probably.  Avdjia is the type of gamble that may make sense for Dallas.  Whatever they decide they need to be right.

I was watching Hendricks highlights yesterday and wonder how him or Walker would look like if you took a super gamble with Jonathan Issac?  That would be a tall wing lineup.  Isaac barely plays any longer and has some other questions, but he could be one of those buy low candidates who could either never play again or turn into a bargain.