(06-09-2023, 12:05 PM)The Jom Wrote: Like the exercise. Disagree with the results. Potential and youth aren’t factored in (Bam), and team support isn’t factored out (Brook). Defensive ability also seems undervalued (Myles). Let me be the outcast here who thinks Ayton would be an ideal fit.

My top 10 in revised order (numbers showing original rank):

1. Nikola Jokic, 28yo rating:75.74

2. Joel Embiid, 29yo rating:75.66

8. Bam Adebayo, 25yo rating:60.77

4. Jaren Jackson Jr., 23yo rating:62.87

3. Anthony Davis, 30yo rating:70.08

17. Deandre Ayton, 24yo rating:54.42

9. Rudy Gobert, 30yo rating:59.99

28. Walker Kessler, 21yo rating:46.67

6. Domantas Sabonis, 27yo rating:61.37

22. Myles Turner, 27yo rating:50.22



Honorable mention:
7. Evan Mobley, 21yo rating:61.08
10. Jarrett Allen, 25yo rating:59.8
14. Karl-Anthony Towns, 27yo rating:57.09
15. Naz Reid, 23yo rating:54.44
16. Robert Williams III, 25yo rating:54.43
18. Wendell Carter Jr., 24yo rating:53.56
24. Jakob Poeltl, 27yo rating:48.56
25. Mitchell Robinson, 25yo rating:48.3
26. Clint Capela, 29yo rating:48.23
27. Jusuf Nurkic, 28yo rating:47.96
31. Christian Koloko, 22yo rating:45.34
38. Jalen Duren, 19yo rating:40.51
41. Onyeka Okongwu, 22yo rating:39.93
54. James Wiseman, 22yo rating:30.74

(06-09-2023, 12:28 PM)Knutsen Wrote: I like the exercise as well, thanks for your effort Pavel! 

One more wrinkle is the subjective fit to what the Mavs need next to Luka and (hopefully) Kyrie. In my mind that moves offensive minded centers off the list if they aren‘t named Jokic - a Sabonis or Towns, as talented as they may be, won‘t help the Mavs win in the playoffs, because they can‘t even out the weaknesses of Luka (and Kyrie). Same with „gettable“ guys like Vucevic or Wood.

For a Mavs specific ranking you could reduce the weighting of scoring, because a team led by Luka and Kyrie doesn’t need a 20+ points per game scorer anywhere. 

Good analogy is the Nuggets roster around Jokic and Murray, who are much better offensive than defensive players, as the two best players of the probably best team in the league. As I wrote in an earlier post we need the Aaron Gordons, KCPs and Browns/Brauns surrounding Luka and Kyrie. That’s why I agree with your list that Adebayo and Jackson Jr. would be our 3rd and 4th best options, Jom. 
Where‘s our Tyson Chandler 2.0 to be found?

(06-09-2023, 12:53 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: https://medium.com/mavsforum/analyzing-a-potential-mavericks-trade-green-and-mcgee-for-oneale-and-the-21st-pick-e293162e31eb

Latest trade idea so good even F Gump will love it!

(06-09-2023, 12:28 PM)Knutsen Wrote: Where‘s our Tyson Chandler 2.0 to be found?

(06-09-2023, 11:18 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: OK, fixed my model.  This is the top 59 centers rated by their production as a starter in 2022/23.  It is comprised of advanced stats weighted in importance for a center in the following categories: Scoring, Rebounding, Distribution, and Availability.

(06-09-2023, 02:36 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Don’t let the following comments lead you to believe I don’t appreciate the effort.  It is a fun and interesting exercise.  There is a bit of irony here as people have posted and snarked and screamed at me for months about 18/10 with efficient shooting as it relates to how great Wood is and how Kidd is screwing him.  Yet, here we are with an 18/10 guy with efficient shooting…AND…MUCH BETTER DEFENSE, and he is somewhere between 17th and 26th depending on which of your posts I go by.

It would probably help give this more credibility if you showed your math.  Then we could have a healthy conversation about why there aren’t any defensive metrics.  Which defensive metric(s).  Why no on-court metrics.  What exactly is meant by distribution and availability?  What about free throw shooting.  Are you using FG% or TS% or EFG% or what for your shooting metric.  How are you weighting things.  I think you want everyone on an even footing and then you can add a factor for age or salary or availability (Jokic will obviously be #1, but then you can give him a -50 for availability and take him out of consideration for this conversation).

Point of all of this being I can probably model this to prove whatever I want to.  Maybe we could agree on the model first and then debate the outcomes.

(06-09-2023, 02:32 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: TC is a comp for Lively somewhere I was reading a while back. That’s what really turned me on to him. Looks like he might be TC with a shot too. If that was the case, please get him!

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That trade back to get Capela looks awesome if Lively turns into TC and then we have Haywood (Capela) to back him up.

(06-09-2023, 03:36 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: At 7' and 240lbs of muscle TC was really before his time physically.  Could you imagine his growing up in today's game, adding an outside shot and ball handling from pee-wee bball on?

That's how I look at the old greats.  I laughed when Shaq said he could have been a point center, but then think about it.  He really had the raw ability; those skills were just never developed.

(06-09-2023, 02:02 PM)audiosway Wrote: The problem with the Mavs is Cuban. Since the title in 2011 he has been on a mission to bring in the biggest names in the NBA so that "HIS" Mavs are the "cool" franchise. Meanwhile, teams like Denver have just focused on getting better talent by all means necessary. Including this crazy thing called the draft. Granted, the Mavs have been getting some gems in the draft as of late. But, I have a feeling Cuban would trade Hardy and Green in a heartbeat for a year or two with 39 year old LeBron.

That's just not a winning strategy. The teams built in that manner also aren't sustainable. With smart team building Luka could have a team like the Nuggets have built around Jokic.

(06-09-2023, 03:59 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Absolutely. If Lively turns out to be that, we will rue the day we passed on him!

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Unless we get Black.

(06-09-2023, 10:39 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Breaking news:

We will all absolutely regret passing on multiple players this year.  Also every other fan, and every other NBA team.

Those of us who are prone to regret and covetousness will pine away, and come here to post about what a rotten job Nico has done, or Cuban has done.  It's the way of fandom.

(06-10-2023, 08:52 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: The NBA Front Office podcast yesterday spent a fairly long time discussing Christian Wood.  It was in response to a question, but kind of random for them to spend that much time on a player of his stature.  

They see two paths for Wood.  non-TP MLE or a Mav’s S&T in the low teens.  They talked about this last year in Dallas.  Wood’s fault or Kidd’s fault?  A little of both was the political answer.  Wood didn’t adapt well to coming off the bench.  But, Kidd never figured out how to use him either.  They don’t think he’s a four.  

Finding a place for him is difficult because he’s not a good defender and most teams want their center to defend well. Does any of this sound familiar?  When pressed for a landing spot, two names came up…Philly as offensive depth (which makes sense to me if they played him next to Paul Reed when Embiid sits).  The other spot was Phoenix…especially if Ayton is moved.  They also commented about a Ramona Shelburne report about Harden ending up in Phoenix.  Not sure how Harden gets to Phoenix in a S&T without Ayton either gone or outgoing.  This led to a CP3 discussion and they didn’t connect the dots back to Wood, but they thought that if Ramona was talking Harden to Phoenix, it might be worth paying attention to.

(06-10-2023, 09:44 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: One of my favorites for MLE Money this year, depending on what else we do, is Naz Reid.   I saw an article by Jake Fischer saying he was a target for the Suns last year.  What happens if he is over an MLE guy at around 15-17 per year.  Tough for Minnesota to justify that money with their current roster.    

So question, any way to give Naz Reid with Hardaway to PhX and Dallas gets Ayton.   Minnesota gets Maxi and ????.   Anyway for that to work without giving up #10 or our young players that would help Minny out???   Maxi and Wood seem like too many big guys for them.    Also not sure how you would make that trade legal.