(06-07-2023, 10:38 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I can't spell CBA, so I don't know if that gets PHX where they want to be.  Anyone here has insight?

(06-07-2023, 10:45 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: PHX has to find a way to shed around 10 mil to get to the point where they can retain the MLE. Their only current options are trading CP3+Ayton (or any other combo of guys+waiving CP3) and being under 169mm in total roster salaries. OR keeping their current roster and S/W CP3.

The deal you gave them wouldn't work, because they're adding about 1 mil to their total roster salary. They could theoretically waive Bullock+ S/W Bertans, but that's a terrible package for Ayton.

(06-07-2023, 11:13 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Couldn't they just S/W Bertans and get there?  

They have two compounding problems they need to solve.  Shed $10m and find a taker for $40m/3yr overpay of Ayton.  Doing both and getting Bullock/McGee level value may be where they are.

(05-22-2023, 09:08 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1660397727367278593?s=46&t=JCZO73vrym-K0Hu3J5z54Q

Pretty sure this is quoting that BR article where Pincus equivocates on an Ayton deal.

THJ+McGee+Green+10 is a massive overpay for Ayton. Like HUGE. I'd hate that deal. And I'm probably the biggest Ayton fanboy here. Remove 10 and Green, add Bullock and I'm much happier. If they really want a first then give them '27.

That's basically the Jarrett Allen deal we've been throwing around (THJ+Bullock+McGee+27). Between the 2 I'd still take Ayton. All the motor issues and attitude stuff I think can be fixed with a change of scenery. Wiggins had the same stuff labeled on him, and before the Warriors he literally was on some of the worst teams in the NBA (so those labels carried weight).

Ayton has already been to the finals playing a big role. He helped carry the Suns against the Pels series when Booker went down. The evidence is there that a team can win with him.

(06-08-2023, 12:24 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: I don't want Ayton and most here don't seem to either, but the Suns aren't going to just give him away for our trash.

(06-07-2023, 09:18 PM)F Gump Wrote: 1 Forgo any shot at keeping Craig, and

(06-08-2023, 05:12 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: At that point Suns owner either bites or says we´ll find a way to make the salaries match.

Learnings: You know Ayton is available. You know there is interest in Kyrie from Phoenix side. Now you basically offer Kyrie fair market value, something like 160/4 and if he insists on the outrageous 200/4-250/5, you just trade him to Phoenix.

(06-08-2023, 08:39 AM)omahen Wrote: Hasn't been mentioned before, but what about Lu Dort? OKC has SGA, Williams and Giddey on positions 1-3. Giddey could also be a PF, but their frontcourt would be a bit weak with Giddey and Chet. None of Dort, Williams, Giddey and SGA is a good 3pt shooter, so OKC might value some pure shooting, either in the starting unit or coming from the bench. I would imagine OKC is not interested in another 2023 pick (trade down from 10 to 12 is not much value), so 2027 could be more interesting here. However, unprotected FRP seems much for Dort, so I would want something more from OKC. Williams would be perfect, but I doubt they move him as they really like him. OKC roster is full of nothing special young shooting guards, that Mavs don't really need.


OKC: THJ, 2027 FRP
Dal: Dort, #37, Robinson-Earl

From Dallas perspective, Dort doesn't really cover greates need as big wing. He is built like a truck, but if you play him at four, rebounding would remain a problem. But he is a great defender. Robinson-Earl is a cheap young back up center who can shoot from three. Mavs can fill roster with another cheap selection at #37.

Could Mavs survive by just bringing in a good center with #10 (using Bertans contract) and playing Maxi at PF? Trade down would be ideal. Bringing another wing with MLE (either tax or non tax, depending on how they manage other moves).

Irving, Hardy
Dort, Green
Luka, Bullock
Maxi, ®MLE
trade for center, Robinson-Earl

This line-up would have a nice amount of wings and Mavs could field several different line-ups defending what the opponent has. You play Maxi when they have good big wings, you play a bit smaller with Dort-Green when Luka can guard an opposing PF.

(06-08-2023, 08:55 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I would be a fan of that.  I liked Robinson Earl in the draft and Dort would provide some of the Grit this team needs.

On a smaller trade, I would be fine with Robinson Earl and 37 (plus 12) for 10 as well.  Although I would hate allowing Presti to move up for a guy he was targeting.  As mentioned before, I would find out who he was targeted and then draft that guy.  Ha

(06-07-2023, 10:38 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Paul continues to want to return to Suns and partner with Booker and Durant, sources said. Nevertheless, Paul and his reps want organization to make a decision well ahead of June 28th deadline to guarantee his deal so that Paul can proceed into marketplace if he’s indeed waived.

(06-08-2023, 09:00 AM)omahen Wrote: I trully hope this is just Cato thinking and not any insider indication of what Mavs plan to do. 

(06-08-2023, 05:41 AM)omahen Wrote: Not sure why you are so certain there is interest in Kyrie. Suns owner can also say no thank you. If they go after Kyrie, they are hard capped and have 135 mil invested in four players. No assets to trade and the only contract possible to use in a trade being the Shamet one. I fail to see much interest on their side for Kyrie, if it takes Paul and Ayton going out. The only remaining options to improve the roster would be MLE and BAE. 

What we do know with far higher certainty is, there is even bigger interest in Kyrie from Mavs side. Not sure why you assume they are even considering trading him. Forgeting again, Mavs are in no position to even offer him around, since he is a FA. The interest needs to come from Kyrie. Last thing Mavs want would be a rumor, they are shopping him around... Mavs very obviously accepted they will pay him. Probably a lot. I will consider anything less than a 4 year max a success from their side. Same as Brunson, they are in bird rights trap. More or less they need to pay as much as it takes, or he can go with minimum return coming back. Mavs can't replace him if he walks. It cost them 2 starters and unprotected FRP to replace Brunson.

As for determining Kyries "fair" salary - Phoenix is far from the only team there, that could be used to determine Kyries "fair" value. Not sure why would anyone take valuation from one team (whatever it is) as a certain indication of his value.

(06-08-2023, 09:13 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: FWIW, this feels to me like Phoenix approached CP3 and said ‘we love you dude, but we can’t do the $30.8 for you next year.  New CBA blah blah blah’.  You have a choice.  If you want to go get an MLE job somewhere, you can make $28mm next season, but you can’t do it here because we will S/W you if you want to go.  If you want to stay on a minimum, great, love to have you, but we can’t S/W you in that scenario.  We need to plan around your decision, so you have X days to let us know.  Our base presumption is you are looking for the money, so we will S/W unless you agree to take the minimum.  Have a nice day.