(06-07-2023, 05:17 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Is anyone willing to eat Shamet´s contract (3/33)? I guess that´s the only way out if the Suns want to move Ayton for a bigger contract.

(06-07-2023, 04:55 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Should the Suns S/W CP3, they cannot resign him during that time at all (5 years). 

Per Larry Coon: 

BUT the Suns can abuse a loophole here. If they just eat CP3's 15 mil guaranteed contract, they are able to resign him at the vet min. 
Gambo (PHX version of Stein) says as such here:

https://twitter.com/gambo987/status/1666558202731982848?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg
https://twitter.com/gambo987/status/1666563392914735104?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg

(06-07-2023, 06:19 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Also should scare the living crap out of Mavs fans, cause CP3 for Bertans + Bullock +#10 seems like another Cuban special.

(06-07-2023, 05:47 PM)F Gump Wrote: Rough numbers
1 Unless I'm missing something, CP3 s-w would be 5.267 x3
2 It seems like a lock they keep Payne as the PG, on cheap 6.5M deal
3 Not doing a s-w lands them right about Apron 1, with the 5-6 players they have already under contract plus all minimums. If they also re-sign Torrey Craig (who probably costs about the big MLE of 12.2), they land around Apron 2
4 So when we pencil in s-w CP3, they have room for big MLE, or for Craig and TxMLE, plus a slew of minimums

Bottom line - PHX likely has more to do

(06-07-2023, 03:04 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: You mean Dame to PHI

(06-07-2023, 07:56 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Crazy time.  It appears Paul wants to stay in PHX but he wants to keep his current contract.  If released, the Suns will have a hard time re-signing him if a team in LAL comes calling.  But maybe the market for him is really dry and he wants to stay in the West Coast. 

The new Suns owner has moved quick.  I was a Monty fan, but I thought they wound up fine their with Vogel and keeping their young assistant coach.    The Paul dance will need to be a delicate tightrope walk.  Very tricky.  And maybe he is not worth the trouble at his age.  But, I can guarantee you Cuban would screw up that tightrope walk 10 different ways.  Lets see how the new owner in PHX handles it.  Again, any move they make at least short term needs to be factored in that they think it makes them closer to a championship.

(06-07-2023, 07:56 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Crazy time.  It appears Paul wants to stay in PHX but he wants to keep his current contract.  If released, the Suns will have a hard time re-signing him if a team in LAL comes calling.  But maybe the market for him is really dry and he wants to stay in the West Coast. 

The new Suns owner has moved quick.  I was a Monty fan, but I thought they wound up fine their with Vogel and keeping their young assistant coach.    The Paul dance will need to be a delicate tightrope walk.  Very tricky.  And maybe he is not worth the trouble at his age.  But, I can guarantee you Cuban would screw up that tightrope walk 10 different ways.  Lets see how the new owner in PHX handles it.  Again, any move they make at least short term needs to be factored in that they think it makes them closer to a championship.

(06-07-2023, 08:48 PM)Tyler Wrote: Here's a key summary from Bobby Marks that could explain what Phoenix is looking at.

"Waiving and taking the full $15.8M cap hit only opens up the $5M tax ML. Stretching his money over 5 seasons ($3.16M) opens up the $12.2M non tax ML."

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1666585242289700865

So the key to keeping Paul would be for Phoenix to dump enough salary before the 28th where they could just waive Paul (no stretch) and re-sign him. That way they could keep Paul and the full non tax ML. That's probably why Woj keeps bringing up Ayton when talking about Paul. Phoenix needs a salary dump if they want to keep Paul and the exceptions they need to fill out the roster.

(06-07-2023, 08:48 PM)Tyler Wrote: Here's a key summary from Bobby Marks that could explain what Phoenix is looking at.

"Waiving and taking the full $15.8M cap hit only opens up the $5M tax ML. Stretching his money over 5 seasons ($3.16M) opens up the $12.2M non tax ML."

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1666585242289700865

So the key to keeping Paul would be for Phoenix to dump enough salary before the 28th where they could just waive Paul (no stretch) and re-sign him. That way they could keep Paul and the full non tax ML. That's probably why Woj keeps bringing up Ayton when talking about Paul. Phoenix needs a salary dump if they want to keep Paul and the exceptions they need to fill out the roster.

(06-07-2023, 09:18 PM)F Gump Wrote: For PHX to keep CP3 at minimum salary, and still have big MLE, it takes
1 Forgo any shot at keeping Craig, and
2 Get rid of 10M in salary (such as get someone to take Shamet with no salary in return, or a trade where salary diff is 10M+)

Not impossible, but also not a slam dunk.

(06-07-2023, 08:48 PM)Tyler Wrote: Here's a key summary from Bobby Marks that could explain what Phoenix is looking at.

"Waiving and taking the full $15.8M cap hit only opens up the $5M tax ML. Stretching his money over 5 seasons ($3.16M) opens up the $12.2M non tax ML."

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1666585242289700865

So the key to keeping Paul would be for Phoenix to dump enough salary before the 28th where they could just waive Paul (no stretch) and re-sign him. That way they could keep Paul and the full non tax ML. That's probably why Woj keeps bringing up Ayton when talking about Paul. Phoenix needs a salary dump if they want to keep Paul and the exceptions they need to fill out the roster.

Quote:The Suns insist that they're still working through several possibilities for Paul's future and reiterated that to his representatives later Wednesday afternoon, sources said. Phoenix plans to explore trade opportunities including Paul and Deandre Ayton that could alter the franchise's roster landscape ahead of a final decision on Paul's partially guaranteed contract, sources said.

(06-07-2023, 09:48 PM)Tyler Wrote: Here's the closest I can think of with Dallas:

THJ/Bullock/Green for Ayton/Shamet

THJ/Bullock/Green ($32.6mm) is just enough to trade match for Ayton/Shamet ($40.4mm) before this year closes. But just as important, THJ has a declining salary next year while Bullock and Green have only small raises. So accounting for salary increases for Ayton and Shamet, it clears $9.7mm off of the Suns cap for next season ($42.6mm for DA/LS vs. $32.9mm for THJ/RB/JG). And if that's not enough, finding a 3rd team with space or an unused trade exception to take Bullock or Green would get them well over $10mm.