(02-14-2023, 06:20 AM)HAguiar95 Wrote: Yup, we need two starting frontcourt players, gotta spend those picks, since we don't have assets. This year will be hard to win without capable paint protectors/rebounders. Bertans + '27 1st for a true C (Y). McGee + Bullock + '25 1st for a PF (X). Sign a PG for the tax-MLE (Z)

Luka/Z
Irving (re-sign max)/Hardy
Green/Hardaway
X/Kleber
Y/Powell (re-sign vet min.)

Could we give a 1st for Grant Williams and promise him a starting role (he's not getting that in BOS)? He'd be a good role player, capable defender and 3-pt shooter (although undersized). Or maybe a Bertans/McGee 1st for Collins? K. Williams from OKC?

For the C spot, I also got Capela and Zubac as a target, but it'd have to be a 3-team deal, since ATL and LAC are trying to win as well, so it's not going to be cheap.

We definetely missed our chance on cashing in Wood. Now he's going to leave and we paid a 1st to get him (although very late).

(02-15-2023, 01:24 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I know it’s blasphemy, but, offseason trade where Tor ends up with a top 10 23 pick:

Siakam/FVV (snt)/Achiuwa/23 FRP/26 FRP/28 FRP for Luka/THJ/Bertans

Max Kyrie and use his connections to get quality role players.

Kyrie/FVV/Green/Siakam/Achiuwa or another signing/23 pick

For Tor:
Luka/GTJ/OG/Barnes/Poeltl youth movement for them.

(02-15-2023, 01:46 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: You should get a 1 day ban for even thinking about Luka trades.

I'm vomiting at this proposed scenario.

(02-15-2023, 02:05 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Eh, I think the team ends up highly upgraded with the trade with much better balance. We also add to our picks in order to bring in more drafted talent. I’m not all that mad at the trade. Very well aware the team will never do it.

(02-15-2023, 02:14 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: KD just went for 4 FRP and a pick swap. And this is 34 year old post achilles with a current MCL sprain KD. 

Luka is not being traded for just 3 unprotected firsts and an all-star. 

He's going for a MINIMUM of 7 FRP. A 23 year old MVP candidate who's averaging a 30 point triple double is not a normal trade asset. He'd be the best trade asset of all time. The only team that could afford Luka is OKC and it'd cost them SGA and at least 10 of their firsts realistically. 

Even then that trade puts the team in a worse position as there are only like 2 guys objectively better than Luka right now and it's debatable if they'll still be better than Luka in the next 3 years.

(02-15-2023, 02:31 AM)LukaMVP Wrote: imagine how great our team would've been if we had a bol type of guy at C. our offense is awesome to say the least, and we just need a tyson Chandler type of acquisition to complete a champion squad.

(02-15-2023, 11:36 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Thinking some more about the conversation over the weekend about the summer and the difficulty of S&T’s given our proximity to the Apron…I have a new thought.  In fact, I’ll call it a stone-cold lock:

Myles Turner

Our need for a center, especially one who plays D, protects the rim some and doesn’t necessarily clog the lane, is pretty clear.  Indy has done some interesting things that I think supports the idea of a pre-determined Turner trade.  

*When they did his renegotiation and extend (a rarely used technique), it was thought they would give him enough in 2022-23 to get to the minimum salary.  This was money they had to spend anyway.  BUT, they went slightly over that.  There was no real need to go above the minimum team salary number.  In fact, it could have hurt them at the TDL as it ate into available cap room (room they used to pick up Nwora, G. Hill and a slew of seconds).

*Going over the minimum salary changes the math on the next two years.  Turner’s next year salary is exactly the 40% decline that is allowable by rule.  If they had simply gone up the the minimum, they would have had to give Turner more in the out years to get to the same number (I think the ‘perception’ of $30mm/year was important to both Turner and agent).  The out year number matters in two scenarios.  1. It changes the amount of cap room Indy will have in the summer.  But, they already had a ton and aren’t typically a free agent destination.  2. They already have a trade targeted for Turner and needed to hit a specific number.

*Part of the transactions last week included waiving Goga…a young center that Carlisle seems to like.  He is back on the squad again after Indy waived Ibaka.

The way I see this working is Bertans and firsts in 25 and 27 (or 24/26) for Turner.  I think it is essentially pre-arranged.  The math on the Turner deal is almost an exact match for Bertans number in 23/24.  In fact, it wouldn’t have been so had Indy paid up to the minimum in 22/23 and more in the out years.  Bertans is essentially an expiring contract.  In fact, Dallas can pay Indy cash for the $5mm Bertans is owed in 24/25 as long as Indy controls his games played.  By next season, the rotation looks like

Turner.      Powell/McGee
Luka.        Maxi
Green.      Bullock
THJ.         Hardy
Irving.      LD/KI

The only other ways to add talent would be TP-MLE, Minimums and a Wood S&T.  I would presume they bring back some inexpensive guys like Frank and Pinson.

(02-15-2023, 11:44 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: With all due respect, I thought Bitadze signed a 2 yr deal with Orlando yesterday?

(02-15-2023, 11:36 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Thinking some more about the conversation over the weekend about the summer and the difficulty of S&T’s given our proximity to the Apron…I have a new thought.  In fact, I’ll call it a stone-cold lock:

Myles Turner

Our need for a center, especially one who plays D, protects the rim some and doesn’t necessarily clog the lane, is pretty clear.  Indy has done some interesting things that I think supports the idea of a pre-determined Turner trade.  

*When they did his renegotiation and extend (a rarely used technique), it was thought they would give him enough in 2022-23 to get to the minimum salary.  This was money they had to spend anyway.  BUT, they went slightly over that.  There was no real need to go above the minimum team salary number.  In fact, it could have hurt them at the TDL as it ate into available cap room (room they used to pick up Nwora, G. Hill and a slew of seconds).

*Going over the minimum salary changes the math on the next two years.  Turner’s next year salary is exactly the 40% decline that is allowable by rule.  If they had simply gone up the the minimum, they would have had to give Turner more in the out years to get to the same number (I think the ‘perception’ of $30mm/year was important to both Turner and agent).  The out year number matters in two scenarios.  1. It changes the amount of cap room Indy will have in the summer.  But, they already had a ton and aren’t typically a free agent destination.  2. They already have a trade targeted for Turner and needed to hit a specific number.

*Part of the transactions last week included waiving Goga…a young center that Carlisle seems to like.  He is back on the squad again after Indy waived Ibaka.

The way I see this working is Bertans and firsts in 25 and 27 (or 24/26) for Turner.  I think it is essentially pre-arranged.  The math on the Turner deal is almost an exact match for Bertans number in 23/24.  In fact, it wouldn’t have been so had Indy paid up to the minimum in 22/23 and more in the out years.  Bertans is essentially an expiring contract.  In fact, Dallas can pay Indy cash for the $5mm Bertans is owed in 24/25 as long as Indy controls his games played.  By next season, the rotation looks like

Turner.      Powell/McGee
Luka.        Maxi
Green.      Bullock
THJ.         Hardy
Irving.      LD/KI

The only other ways to add talent would be TP-MLE, Minimums and a Wood S&T.  I would presume they bring back some inexpensive guys like Frank and Pinson.

(02-15-2023, 12:35 PM)F Gump Wrote: In general, I think 2 FRPs for Turner is too much, but I like Bertans + cash + 2026 or 27 FRP for Turner.

But there are a couple ways Indy could be headed. It's possible Indy simply wants to keep him and have a very good player on a cheap cap hit while it builds out the rest of the roster, doncha think? Halliburton is their guy, and he's on the rookie contract countdown while they have a window to build around him. They may be game-planning for the guy they need to be Batman, while also having more talent in hand too.

(02-15-2023, 12:48 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: We haven’t had a recent quote from him about his feelings on staying in Ind, but the last we heard, he was leaving them. To Dan’s point, this may be one of the future deals Nico was talking about.

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Also, I think Turner on a non-expiring deal is worth 2 FRPs and dead money.