(06-05-2023, 08:11 PM)F Gump Wrote: 1 If his contract is "as is," CP3 counts 15.8 for PHX, but 30.8 for ATL. I assume it's in June, to avoid the issues of CP3 g'tee and new Apron 1 rules for all 3 teams.
2 The match doesn't work for ATL (39.8 incoming, but only 23.5 outgoing). ATL has to offload salary somewhere else (about 8.5M of it to team 4) to make it work.
3  I certainly wouldn't do Maxi-THJ-10 for Ayton-15, but it feels like about what PHX would be asking. I at least make PHX also take Javale, which is then a salary wash for DAL in yr 1.

(06-05-2023, 09:25 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Regarding point 2:

Can't the Hawks add in another overpriced piece here in Hunter? I'm sure the Mavs would be interested. 

Full net trade of:
PHX- THJ+Collins
ATL- Maxi+Reggie+10
Mavs- Hunter+Ayton+15

(06-05-2023, 08:11 PM)F Gump Wrote: 1 If his contract is "as is," CP3 counts 15.8 for PHX, but 30.8 for ATL. I assume it's in June, to avoid the issues of CP3 g'tee and new Apron 1 rules for all 3 teams.
2 The match doesn't work for ATL (39.8 incoming, but only 23.5 outgoing). ATL has to offload salary somewhere else (about 8.5M of it to team 4) to make it work.
3  I certainly wouldn't do Maxi-THJ-10 for Ayton-15, but it feels like about what PHX would be asking. I at least make PHX also take Javale, which is then a salary wash for DAL in yr 1.

(06-05-2023, 06:06 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Eric Pincus was on the Locked-On podcast this morning.  Good listen.  Largely about the CBA, but he did talk Kyrie and Ayton a little bit.  He made an interesting point about C. Paul to Atlanta for Collins as a way to save money for the Hawks.  The Hawks would want something other than the privilege of paying Chris Paul to go away, but Phoenix can't offer a pick.  I wonder if you can tie that in with Ayton to Dallas and find ways to satisfy everyone's wishes.  

I'm not sure how to count CP's salary, but I wonder if there is a world in which Maxi/Paul/#10 ends up on the Hawks, Ayton and #15 end up in Dallas and Collins and THJ end up in Phoenix.

(06-06-2023, 09:12 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I don’t necessarily like this trade from any of the teams perspective 

Hawks: CP3 and 10th pick

Mavs: Ayton and 15th pick

Suns: Collins, THJ, Bullock, Mcgee

Hawks buy out CP3. Get off Collins long term money. Move up from 15 to 10. Save about $5 million off 23-24 and get under the 1st apron. I think Collins is the guy they would like to move over Capella. They don’t get better next year though

Mavs get a big. Keep a pick. Save a few million off 23-24. But we add a potentially bad contract on a guy with a questionable motor and questionable playoff skills

Suns add depth. Get off the Ayton deal. Roughly break even on salaries. But who is there hisstarting PG and C? And how do they aquire them? Still in an unfavorable cap situation

(06-06-2023, 09:12 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I don’t necessarily like this trade from any of the teams perspective 

Hawks: CP3 and 10th pick

Mavs: Ayton and 15th pick

Suns: Collins, THJ, Bullock, Mcgee

Hawks buy out CP3. Get off Collins long term money. Move up from 15 to 10. Save about $5 million off 23-24 and get under the 1st apron. I think Collins is the guy they would like to move over Capella. They don’t get better next year though

Mavs get a big. Keep a pick. Save a few million off 23-24. But we add a potentially bad contract on a guy with a questionable motor and questionable playoff skills

Suns add depth. Get off the Ayton deal. Roughly break even on salaries. But who is their starting PG and C? And how do they aquire them? Still in an unfavorable cap situation

(06-06-2023, 09:37 AM)omahen Wrote: Mavs: Ayton, Shamet, #15 (looking next season numbers: 42.5 mil incoming, 35 outgoing)
Atlanta: THJ, #10 (18 incoming, 25 outgoing)
Phoenix: Collins, Kleber, McGee (42 incoming, 42 outgoing)

(06-06-2023, 11:31 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Do we really think that Ayton gives us more than Jarrett Allen?

Contract: Ayton $32.4m, 3yrs, $101.9m / Allen $20mill, 3yrs, $60m
Age:  Ayton 24 / Allen 25
Reb%: Ayton 16.4 / Allen 15.9
Def Rating: Ayton 113.2 / Allen 108.8
Net Rating: Ayton 0.0 / Allen 7.7
PIE: Ayton 14.5 / Allen 13.4
Production: Ayton 18.0pts, 10.0rbs, 0.6stls, 0.8blks / Allen 14.3pts, 9.8rbs, 0.8stl, 1.2blks

Is one year younger, slightly better rebounder, worse defender, much worse net rating, slightly better PIE, 3.7pts. 0.3rbs, -0.2stls, and -0.4blks worth $41.9m????

(06-06-2023, 12:18 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think most people here agree that Allen is the better option. Many don’t believe he is available though. Ayton seems available and has rumors tying him to Dallas. That’s why this discussion has gone on so long.

(06-05-2023, 10:10 PM)F Gump Wrote: That's not the same trade, since the whole point was CP3 and dealing with his contract, and he isn't in it. (And while the salary now matches for ATL, it doesn't for DAL or for PHX.)

(06-06-2023, 12:55 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I left out CP3 but he was in the trade machine when I tried this 3-team deal last night. The trade machine says the deal works financially for all 3 teams, but it's using 2023-24 numbers and CP3 can't be waived for nothing after July 1st. So that throws a massive wrench in the deal. 

I think the framework is there for these 3 teams, and it seems like a 4th just needs to be added to eat CP3's contract.

Could the Spurs be enticed to add a vet PG to teach Wemby? They have the necessary contracts to match and essentially can just eat CP3's contract. They're also one of the few teams I can see having an interest in CP3 and his contract structure for their goals.

Revised trade:
THJ+Collins to PHX
Hunter+Ayton to DAL
Reggie+Maxi+McDermott to ATL
CP3+15 to SAS

Trade machine says this deal works now in June.

(06-06-2023, 01:04 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: So Dallas doesn't have to send out #10? I like that part of it.

I want no part of Ayton. Just when we have hopes of getting off of Bertans's contract, we take on another albatross who will end up relegated to the bench before all's said and done.

(06-06-2023, 09:12 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I don’t necessarily like this trade from any of the teams perspective 

Hawks: CP3 and 10th pick

Mavs: Ayton and 15th pick

Suns: Collins, THJ, Bullock, Mcgee

Hawks buy out CP3. Get off Collins long term money. Move up from 15 to 10. Save about $5 million off 23-24 and get under the 1st apron. I think Collins is the guy they would like to move over Capella. They don’t get better next year though

Mavs get a big. Keep a pick. Save a few million off 23-24. But we add a potentially bad contract on a guy with a questionable motor and questionable playoff skills

Suns add depth. Get off the Ayton deal. Roughly break even on salaries. But who is their starting PG and C? And how do they aquire them? Still in an unfavorable cap situation

(06-06-2023, 01:24 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Nets guys on the Athletic throwing some potential trades out there:

1) Sharpe or Simons plus the #3 pick for Mikal Bridges-  Says Unlikely.  My take...you are not getting Sharpe.  I think he is going to be a star

2) Bagley for DFS

3) Nets get Josh Green and # 10
Mavs get Jarrett Allen
Cavs get O'neal and DFS 
My take-  I would pass on that for Dallas and I don't think Cavs get nearly as much as they should

4)Nets get Buddy Heild, TJ McConnell and Myles turner
Pacers get Patty Mills, Harris, Cam Thomas, pick 22 and pick 51---My take-- i don't think Pacers would be interested in this as they already have several picks this year.

5) Nets get Johns Collins
Hawks gets Joe Harris and Royce O'neal

(06-06-2023, 01:04 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: So Dallas doesn't have to send out #10? I like that part of it.

I want no part of Ayton. Just when we have hopes of getting off of Bertans's contract, we take on another albatross who will end up relegated to the bench before all's said and done.

(06-06-2023, 12:18 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think most people here agree that Allen is the better option. Many don’t believe he is available though. Ayton seems available and has rumors tying him to Dallas. That’s why this discussion has gone on so long.