(06-03-2023, 10:03 AM)F Gump Wrote: Ok. But I still think ATL will be salary-sensitive (using the TE increases their payroll by 3M) and Johnson could make sense for the Mavs.

(06-03-2023, 01:19 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: I think the Mavs would definitely say no to this.  The 10th pick and an expiring for DFS?  That is insane.  For a 30yo player with 3 yrs remaining, who, let's be honest, absolutely sucked in BKN.  I love me some Doe Doe, but this is just ridiculous value.  BKN would be lucky to get off that contract right now, and could probably get it done for just a salary dump. To get value for him would be highly unlikely.  I have liked the idea of a Wood SNT going there for him if we can't find another spot for him.  Wood would be a much better fit for BKN than DFS.  But re-acquiring him is basically a homer play - if it were a blind player with his stats, it is a 0/10 idea.  He is a reclamation project at this point.  He was THAT bad.  And tbh, he wasn't good in DAL last year either.  I would be pretty pissed if we used a top 10 pick like this - basically worst case scenario to get off Bertans' contract.  UGH!!! 

Getting a player for the MLE, like Thybulle would be a better play - younger, cheaper, and wouldn't cost a freaking Top 10 pick!!!

(06-04-2023, 10:58 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: Our defense suffered greatly last year after trading Finney-Smith.  Using Reggie Bullock to fill that role was the greatest reason that our team played so poorly after the Kyrie trade.  

I don't think Finney-Smith is a great player.  I'd rather have Cam Johnson, OG Anunoby or Herb Jones for that role.  Unfortunately, we can't afford those players.  Finney-Smith is a fairly good defensive player who can hit open shots.  We know he fits well with our team.   His salary is reasonable.  We don't have anyway to absorb his salary other than trading for him.  So, we'd be trading Davis Bertans and his terrible contract for Finney-Smith and his reasonable contract. 

I don't think we'd be able to get Thybulle for the taxpayer MLE.  He's also much more of an offensive liability than Finney-Smith (although better defensively)

The deal also gives us the 21st pick in the draft.  So, we'd be trading down from 10 to 21.  This would still allow us to take a shot in the draft on a young player.  

I think this is the rare message board proposal that benefits all three teams.

(06-04-2023, 10:58 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: Our defense suffered greatly last year after trading Finney-Smith.  Using Reggie Bullock to fill that role was the greatest reason that our team played so poorly after the Kyrie trade.  

I don't think Finney-Smith is a great player.  I'd rather have Cam Johnson, OG Anunoby or Herb Jones for that role.  Unfortunately, we can't afford those players.  Finney-Smith is a fairly good defensive player who can hit open shots.  We know he fits well with our team.   His salary is reasonable.  We don't have anyway to absorb his salary other than trading for him.  So, we'd be trading Davis Bertans and his terrible contract for Finney-Smith and his reasonable contract. 

I don't think we'd be able to get Thybulle for the taxpayer MLE.  He's also much more of an offensive liability than Finney-Smith (although better defensively)

The deal also gives us the 21st pick in the draft.  So, we'd be trading down from 10 to 21.  This would still allow us to take a shot in the draft on a young player.  

I think this is the rare message board proposal that benefits all three teams.

(06-04-2023, 01:22 PM)surfpuckmd Wrote: Here's an idea I haven't seen yet.  

Robert Covington fell out of Ty Lue's rotation.  Marcus Morris, Batum, Zubac and Plumlee all played significantly more minutes at the end of the season and in the playoffs than Covington.  Covington is on the decline but remains a good defensive player and hit almost 40 percent from three last year.  I believe he'd be a good fit on the Mavs at power forward.  

Do you think the Clippers would do a Reggie Bullock for Robert Covington trade?  

The Clippers would then waive Bullock and save approximately $6 million against the cap.  With the luxury tax, they'd save quite a bit more than that overall.

I think it would be a clear talent upgrade for the Mavs and a money-saving move for the Clippers.

(06-05-2023, 05:29 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: BTW, all those years of sweeping the poor offseasons under the rug by saying, next year is really the time to do something, has finally caught up to us. If only we had went for the doubles instead of constantly going for the home run we would be set up quite differently now.

(06-05-2023, 05:57 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Yeah at the end of the day it´s like this:

You want to trade #10 for a skilled defensive wing/center. Which teams are voluntarily looking to give up such a player? This is the #10 pick. One pick. At #10. Players like Bridges, Anunoby, Brown and company are valued at a player/pick combination that´s probably worth four 1st round picks. Otherwise you are just getting "trash" back.

There is not a single trade that generates more long-term value than just drafting Hendricks/Walker/Black/Wallace. They are exactly what you are looking for in terms of players, but cause you might want to wait three years till they are a 18 PPG all defensive wings, you rather make another short-term decision.

Two years ago....

15/14/1 with 2.0 blocks On/Off +10.5
14/8/2 with 1.6 blocks On/Off +8.4

Players are the same age....

One will cost you THJ+ the 10th pick, the other might get you the 24th pick, but definitely the 38th pick plus McGee out.

(06-05-2023, 06:27 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: All I care about is the #10 being at least a double. I don’t care if that double (or better) comes through trade or just drafting there. It being our absolute best asset in years must jumpstart the A(+) offseason we have to have.

(06-05-2023, 07:09 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This is where I fall.  You have to generate value.  It doesn't really matter how.  Taking the pick at 10 gives you a shot at value...if you nail it.  But that is unknowable as we sit here today and all of the players we all pine over might be gone by #10 anyway.

Trading down gives you 2-3 shots at value:

1.  If you scout well, you might find your Adebayo instead of D. Smith or Frank (no guarantee here either, just like at #10)
2.  You might get a useful player who is a known quantity that better fits what you are trying to accomplish
3.  You might move off of salary that allows you to use other mechanisms (like the full MLE or a TE) to acquire other assets.

All this to say, you better be damned the guy you take at #10 is THE guy.

(06-05-2023, 07:36 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I´d argue it´s still easier to nail the #10 pick in a deep draft than not get screwed over in a trade, when you are obviously the inferior front office and you have less information about the player than they do. At least all the evaulation is in your hands.

(06-05-2023, 07:36 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I´d argue it´s still easier to nail the #10 pick in a deep draft than not get screwed over in a trade, when you are obviously the inferior front office and you have less information about the player than they do. At least all the evaulation is in your hands.

(06-04-2023, 01:22 PM)surfpuckmd Wrote: Do you think the Clippers would do a Reggie Bullock for Robert Covington trade? 

(06-05-2023, 06:06 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Eric Pincus was on the Locked-On podcast this morning.  Good listen.  Largely about the CBA, but he did talk Kyrie and Ayton a little bit.  He made an interesting point about C. Paul to Atlanta for Collins as a way to save money for the Hawks.  The Hawks would want something other than the privilege of paying Chris Paul to go away, but Phoenix can't offer a pick.  I wonder if you can tie that in with Ayton to Dallas and find ways to satisfy everyone's wishes.  

I'm not sure how to count CP's salary, but I wonder if there is a world in which Maxi/Paul/#10 ends up on the Hawks, Ayton and #15 end up in Dallas and Collins and THJ end up in Phoenix.

(06-05-2023, 06:06 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Eric Pincus was on the Locked-On podcast this morning.  Good listen.  Largely about the CBA, but he did talk Kyrie and Ayton a little bit.  He made an interesting point about C. Paul to Atlanta for Collins as a way to save money for the Hawks.  The Hawks would want something other than the privilege of paying Chris Paul to go away, but Phoenix can't offer a pick.  I wonder if you can tie that in with Ayton to Dallas and find ways to satisfy everyone's wishes.  

I'm not sure how to count CP's salary, but I wonder if there is a world in which Maxi/Paul/#10 ends up on the Hawks, Ayton and #15 end up in Dallas and Collins and THJ end up in Phoenix.

(06-05-2023, 06:06 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Eric Pincus was on the Locked-On podcast this morning.  Good listen.  Largely about the CBA, but he did talk Kyrie and Ayton a little bit.  He made an interesting point about C. Paul to Atlanta for Collins as a way to save money for the Hawks.  The Hawks would want something other than the privilege of paying Chris Paul to go away, but Phoenix can't offer a pick.  I wonder if you can tie that in with Ayton to Dallas and find ways to satisfy everyone's wishes.  

I'm not sure how to count CP's salary, but I wonder if there is a world in which Maxi/Paul/#10 ends up on the Hawks, Ayton and #15 end up in Dallas and Collins and THJ end up in Phoenix.