(06-02-2023, 02:17 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Ya I think as much grief as he gets in the media I don't think his value is as low as some people think it is.

(06-03-2023, 05:10 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think that people suggesting the trades they are proposing as what they themselves would do to be able to like the trade and doesn’t really reflect what the league-wide value may actually be. It’s a familiar sight. It would make it much easier for the reader if they would actually say that in the post though.

(06-02-2023, 02:20 PM)StepBackJay Wrote:

• https://medium.com/mavsforum/mavericks-trade-idea-tim-hardaway-jr-javale-mcgee-and-picks-for-clint-capela-a-balanced-move-7f44aebb6f9e - Building off a Cato idea Mavs get Capela in a trade-back that involves THJ and McGee
  

(06-03-2023, 07:15 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: ^ In regard to being at 10 with a “clear” top 9…….all it takes is 1 team in the top 9 to pick a wild card player. It usually happens every year(reminder we have the Wizards picking ahead of us). So, it could be valuable if someone falls. Just takes one player

Who will that be? I think Ausar could fall

Wemby
Miller
Scoot
Amen
Whitmore
Walker supposedly has a promise from a team

Hendricks
Black
Wildcard pick at 7,8,9- Wallace/Bufkin/George/Hawkins etc

10. Ausar. Mavs trade pick at high value

Or if it’s Black that falls, then i could see teams motivated to trade up for him

(06-03-2023, 06:52 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I like your updated version of this where you add McGee to the deal (as opposed to the Cato version that was just THJ, Capela and the picks).  It balances the value of giving up #10 better than the original.  It clears an extra $5.7mm and creates a $5.4mm TE.  It is simple and clean and puts the Maverick’s investment at a position of need instead of a position of abundance.  .

(06-03-2023, 08:04 AM)F Gump Wrote: If I understand correctly
THJ+McGee+10
Capela +15

The salary matching on that doesn't work. In June Capela's 18.7 doesn't cover 19.6+5.4, and as things stand, in July either (Capela's 20.6 doesn't cover 17.9+5.7 under the 110% rule). In addition, ATL is already a few mill over the Apron 1 as is (thus the 110% rule), and will likely be looking for deals to reduce salary rather than increase (this adds 3M).

The money works if you add someone at the bottom of the ATL salary list to the above, coming to the Mavs. They have a real glut of SFs, with Hunter, Jalen Johnson (pick 20 in 2021), AJ Griffin (pick 16 in 2022), and the newly-acquired S Bey. Johnson and Griffin seem to be at the back of the pack for minutes, and both have about the right sized salary to work. From the stat lines, JJ looks like he might be a DFS starter kit, fwiw.

THJ+McGee+10
Capela+Johnson +15

That works in either June or July and is about a wash salary-wise.

(06-03-2023, 08:04 AM)F Gump Wrote: If I understand correctly
THJ+McGee+10
Capela +15

The salary matching on that doesn't work. In June Capela's 18.7 doesn't cover 19.6+5.4, and as things stand, in July either (Capela's 20.6 doesn't cover 17.9+5.7 under the 110% rule). In addition, ATL is already a few mill over the Apron 1 as is (thus the 110% rule), and will likely be looking for deals to reduce salary rather than increase (this adds 3M).

The money works if you add someone at the bottom of the ATL salary list to the above, coming to the Mavs. They have a real glut of SFs, with Hunter, Jalen Johnson (pick 20 in 2021), AJ Griffin (pick 16 in 2022), and the newly-acquired S Bey. Johnson and Griffin seem to be at the back of the pack for minutes, and both have about the right sized salary to work. From the stat lines, JJ looks like he might be a DFS starter kit, fwiw.

THJ+McGee+10
Capela+Johnson +15

That works in either June or July and is about a wash salary-wise.

(06-03-2023, 03:28 AM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: In what world would Williams be worth 20M per?  Grant Williams?  He's an undersized PF that can spread the floor.  Not a rebounder. Not a great defender.  Pound sand on that.

(06-03-2023, 07:49 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Mavs get: 31, Bojan, Wiseman, Stewart

Pistons get: 10, THJ, Bertans, Mcgee

(06-03-2023, 08:49 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Atlanta has a TE that takes in McGee.

(06-03-2023, 10:03 AM)F Gump Wrote: Ok. But I still think ATL will be salary-sensitive (using the TE increases their payroll by 3M) and Johnson could make sense for the Mavs.

(06-03-2023, 09:38 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Wiseman is trash I would leave him out of it and do Bojan + Stewart for THJ + McGee and 10/31 swaps. That would be a lot for Mavs to give up. Stewart is a good fit at starting center. Bojan is an upgrade over THJ. Basically you are getting 2 starters out of the deal in exchange for sometimes start THJ and a contract dump in McGee.

(06-03-2023, 06:52 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Personally I’m not in love with being at #10.  I think there is a dropoff after the guys who most frequently get mocked in the top 9.  Meanwhile, I like almost everyone from among Coulibaly, L. Miller, Bufkin, Wallace, Hawkins, Clowney, JHS, Lively and Whitehead.  If someone takes Dick prior to 15, five of the guys I listed will still be there at 15.  Admittedly, there are some high ceiling, low floor guys here, but multiple guys from this list are likely to pass at least some of the guys currently projected in the Top 9.

(06-02-2023, 07:12 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Spurs get 21 and Bertans(17 million)

Nets get 10 and Khem Birch(6.9 million)

Mavs get 22 and DFS(13.9 million)

Who says no?

Spurs are the one team that makes sense for Bertans. Good locker room guy that Pop can trust. Spurs essentially trade 10 million in cap for pick 21. They need to hit the floor pre-season anyway

Nets need to shed salary. Both now and future. Cam Johnson extension will be expensive. Dorian doesn’t fit their plans. They can build around Bridges/Johnson/Claxton/Pick 10 as their young core.

Mavs would get the versatile defensive wing we need. Be in good shape cap wise. And still have a late 1st and the exception to add players

(06-03-2023, 01:03 PM)surfpuckmd Wrote: I think this is one of the best and most reasonable trade proposals I've seen.  I think all three teams would be getting what they want.

I believe the Spurs might want a little extra draft compensation-  perhaps a couple of 2nd-round picks.  I think Brooklyn might be willing to include that.  The 10th pick would get Brooklyn one of the better PG prospects-  Cason Wallace, Hood-Schifino or Kobe Bufkin.  I think Finney-Smith is superfluous for them and they would prefer to have less cap obligation.  

 I think only a few teams will still be tanking for the 2024 draft and so the premium to take on bad contracts will go up a little.  I think the Spurs would want a bit more to absorb the Bertans contract but it would be a small adjustment.  

Overall, excellent trade proposal.  I would like to see this happen.

(06-03-2023, 12:31 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: I agree... I think that they whole reason ATL is a trade hot spot is because of their desire to cut salary.  I don't think that they will be looking to take any money back into their TE.  Sign me up to add Griffin!  Part of the reason I would think that Hunter would be available is to free up playing time for a guy like that.  I like his potential.  Tbh, they could keep their pick if he was included.  Pass on Jalen Johnson - can't shoot.

(06-03-2023, 01:59 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Jalen Duren is the center I want from DET. Stewart is nice too. But Duren is a legit starter.