(06-01-2023, 02:47 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I love all the false hope these exercises are generating for us. The only real hope for the offseason is that 1) Lindsay has a major voice in strategy and player evaluation, and 2) that Finley hits on another draft pick again (not necessarily at 10). Outside of that, all of the suggestions and scenarios being devised here are pipe dreams. Remember Brunson, and remember the opening of free agency where we had a ton of cap space and good FAs available, the Mavs didn't tamper like the other 29 teams did, Cuban went to dinner, and we got virtually nothing.

(06-01-2023, 07:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Interesting Jarrett Allen trade from a Cleveland site  (you'd have to change 2025 to 2027 and either unprotect it or protect if for only that draft and have it convert to something else if it doesn't convey):

Laying out a Jarrett Allen trade

The Dallas Mavericks are another team whose season did not end the way they wanted it to, so they are a logical team to be pursuing shake-up trades. In this trade idea, the Cavs trade Allen to the Mavericks and get back two contributors in addition to a first-round pick:

The idea for the Cavaliers is that they trade one start for two. The Cavs could start Reggie Bullock at small forward and Maxi Kleber at power forward, giving Cleveland a four-out look around Evan Mobley at center. It would increase their spacing and, given the defensive chops of both Bullock and Kleber, still give them a stout defensive frontcourt.

For the Mavericks, they trade two non-stars for a star at center, potentially giving them three if Kyrie Irving re-signs this summer. Jarrett Allen would give this team a defensive identity inside, something they need after jettisoning their best defenders recently, and on offense he can both serve as a pick-and-roll partner with Luka Doncic and Irving and clean the glass after their jumpshots.

Dallas probably jumps in and makes this deal, letting Christian Wood walk and re-signing Dwight Powell as a backup. The loss of Kleber would be painful, but they tend to go star-hunting.

https://kingjamesgospel.com/2023/05/12/grade-trade-jarrett-allen-mavs-proposed-deal-cavaliers/2/

Quote:It may be that the Cavaliers have to trade Jarrett Allen someday to help this team advance in the playoffs. Perhaps that say will even come this offseason or during the season if the right trade comes along. This deal, for an injury-prone forward in Maxi Kleber and a streaky shooter in Reggie Bullock, is not that deal.

Grade: C

(06-01-2023, 04:30 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I would be ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL over that type of trade. 
Which gave me pause. I read through the article and it seems as if the CLE authors also agreed this isn't a realistic deal for Allen.

Quote:

It may be that the Cavaliers have to trade Jarrett Allen someday to help this team advance in the playoffs. Perhaps that say will even come this offseason or during the season if the right trade comes along. This deal, for an injury-prone forward in Maxi Kleber and a streaky shooter in Reggie Bullock, is not that deal.

Grade: C

(06-01-2023, 03:05 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Cato trade ideas today:

1) Boucher and Porter Jr for pick #10 and Davis Bertans---My take- yuck!

2) OG and Thad Young for Hardaway, Green and #10-  Raptor guy says that isn't enough in article. 

3) Capella and 15 for Hardaway and 10-  Atlanta guys says he would sign off on this deal

4) Hunter and 15 for Josh Green, Bertans and 15-  Atlanta guy not very high on Hunter

5) Royce O'neal, Mills and pick 21 for Bertans and pick 10

6) Richaun Holmes for Davis Bertans

7) Nance, Willy Hernangomez, Garrett Temple for Reggie Bullock and JaVale McGee

(06-01-2023, 03:49 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I've created the perfect trade: https://twitter.com/StepBackJay77/status/1664373277416988678

(06-01-2023, 03:05 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Cato trade ideas today:

1) Boucher and Porter Jr for pick #10 and Davis Bertans---My take- yuck!

2) OG and Thad Young for Hardaway, Green and #10-  Raptor guy says that isn't enough in article. 

3) Capella and 15 for Hardaway and 10-  Atlanta guys says he would sign off on this deal

4) Hunter and 15 for Josh Green, Bertans and 15-  Atlanta guy not very high on Hunter

5) Royce O'neal, Mills and pick 21 for Bertans and pick 10

6) Richaun Holmes for Davis Bertans

7) Nance, Willy Hernangomez, Garrett Temple for Reggie Bullock and JaVale McGee

(06-01-2023, 06:12 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: #1 i wouldn’t do. #2 is far short on ask price for OG. All the rest would be excellent deals and are in the realm of possibilities we should expect 

Holmes for Bertans is something I’ve thought about for awhile. If we trade Hardaway though I’d almost rather keep Bertans. It’s nice to have a 3pt specialist off the bench if we concentrate on defense and fall short on shooters after other moves

(06-01-2023, 07:00 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Can’t play Bertans much this year or he won’t be eligible to waive for $5M. He is full sunk cost this year.

(06-01-2023, 07:25 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: With the Mavs luck he probably has a Duncan Robinson like resurrection but the Mavs won´t be able to play him because of the contract situation.

(06-02-2023, 12:22 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: In my love of forever complicating ideas:

 3 team trade: 
Bullock+Maxi+#10 to ATL. 
THJ+Wood+2027 FRP DAL to CLE. 
Allen+Hunter+Collins+15 to DAL.

Mavs add 4.5 mil to salary but generate 3 starters. 

ATL saves 20 mil in space and move up to 10. CLE gets their starting wing in THJ and a great replacement big in Wood (I assume he's SnT for 3/45). 

Luka/
Kyrie/Hardy
Hunter/Green
Collins/
Allen/McGee/Powell

On paper is a great starting 5. Mavs starting 5 is 151mm (which is expensive). And leaves them with just about 20 mil for the bench and whatever guys.
Assuming they keep Powell, Morris, and Pinson as vet min guys, they have 12 guys including #15 pick. Bench is light but I like this roster.

EDIT: I'd probably go to BRK and offer Bertans+McGee+15 for DFS and finish this roster out.

Luka/Green
Kyrie/Hardy
Hunter/DFS/Pinson
Collins/Morris
Allen/Powell.

Total salaries: ~178 mil.

(06-02-2023, 06:25 AM)F Gump Wrote: I assume that's all one trade, incl BKN. Otherwise the trade math doesn't work for DAL. And BKN has to send a lot more salary to one of the other teams to make it legal (13 outgoing and 23 incoming doesn't match) 

But there's not $20M more left to spend elsewhere. There's $0. Assuming Kyrie is at the same salary as Luka (rather than the max, which is 6M more), the 15-man roster you're envisioning (with min salary guys filling the rest) would total 179.9M on apron accounting, just a sliver under the 2nd apron. There's no MLE at all, so you're adding 4 more minimum salary guys and calling it a day.

(06-01-2023, 02:47 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I love all the false hope these exercises are generating for us. The only real hope for the offseason is that 1) Lindsay has a major voice in strategy and player evaluation, and 2) that Finley hits on another draft pick again (not necessarily at 10). Outside of that, all of the suggestions and scenarios being devised here are pipe dreams. Remember Brunson, and remember the opening of free agency where we had a ton of cap space and good FAs available, the Mavs didn't tamper like the other 29 teams did, Cuban went to dinner, and we got virtually nothing.

(06-02-2023, 11:08 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: What if the Mavs are really hot after Ayton?

https://medium.com/mavsforum/dallas-mavericks-rumors-deandre-ayton-as-the-missing-piece-to-complete-the-big-three-7c3db2731db7