(05-31-2023, 09:10 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I didn’t want the Kyrie trade to happen. Said so too many times already, I know.

Having said that, now that it has happened…if they don’t re-sign him, I predict the actual, in reality alternative consequence of that is going to be soooooo much less exciting than the kind of thing you’re all kicking around in here. In that scenario, what the Mavs will end up with will be something not one of us would be excited about if someone was able to predict it in exact detail ahead of time.

(05-31-2023, 04:00 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I can see a pretty realistic scenario in which Harden walks, and PHI trades Maxey+Harris to some team to carve out what's needed for Kyrie. 

(05-31-2023, 09:10 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I didn’t want the Kyrie trade to happen. Said so too many times already, I know.

Having said that, now that it has happened…if they don’t re-sign him, I predict the actual, in reality alternative consequence of that is going to be soooooo much less exciting than the kind of thing you’re all kicking around in here. In that scenario, what the Mavs will end up with will be something not one of us would be excited about if someone was able to predict it in exact detail ahead of time.

(05-31-2023, 04:00 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I can see a pretty realistic scenario in which Harden walks

(06-01-2023, 07:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Interesting Jarrett Allen trade from a Cleveland site  (you'd have to change 2025 to 2027 and either unprotect it or protect if for only that draft and have it convert to something else if it doesn't convey):

Laying out a Jarrett Allen trade

The Dallas Mavericks are another team whose season did not end the way they wanted it to, so they are a logical team to be pursuing shake-up trades. In this trade idea, the Cavs trade Allen to the Mavericks and get back two contributors in addition to a first-round pick:

The idea for the Cavaliers is that they trade one start for two. The Cavs could start Reggie Bullock at small forward and Maxi Kleber at power forward, giving Cleveland a four-out look around Evan Mobley at center. It would increase their spacing and, given the defensive chops of both Bullock and Kleber, still give them a stout defensive frontcourt.

For the Mavericks, they trade two non-stars for a star at center, potentially giving them three if Kyrie Irving re-signs this summer. Jarrett Allen would give this team a defensive identity inside, something they need after jettisoning their best defenders recently, and on offense he can both serve as a pick-and-roll partner with Luka Doncic and Irving and clean the glass after their jumpshots.

Dallas probably jumps in and makes this deal, letting Christian Wood walk and re-signing Dwight Powell as a backup. The loss of Kleber would be painful, but they tend to go star-hunting.

https://kingjamesgospel.com/2023/05/12/grade-trade-jarrett-allen-mavs-proposed-deal-cavaliers/2/

(06-01-2023, 07:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Interesting Jarrett Allen trade from a Cleveland site  (you'd have to change 2025 to 2027 and either unprotect it or protect if for only that draft and have it convert to something else if it doesn't convey):

Laying out a Jarrett Allen trade

The Dallas Mavericks are another team whose season did not end the way they wanted it to, so they are a logical team to be pursuing shake-up trades. In this trade idea, the Cavs trade Allen to the Mavericks and get back two contributors in addition to a first-round pick:

The idea for the Cavaliers is that they trade one start for two. The Cavs could start Reggie Bullock at small forward and Maxi Kleber at power forward, giving Cleveland a four-out look around Evan Mobley at center. It would increase their spacing and, given the defensive chops of both Bullock and Kleber, still give them a stout defensive frontcourt.

For the Mavericks, they trade two non-stars for a star at center, potentially giving them three if Kyrie Irving re-signs this summer. Jarrett Allen would give this team a defensive identity inside, something they need after jettisoning their best defenders recently, and on offense he can both serve as a pick-and-roll partner with Luka Doncic and Irving and clean the glass after their jumpshots.

Dallas probably jumps in and makes this deal, letting Christian Wood walk and re-signing Dwight Powell as a backup. The loss of Kleber would be painful, but they tend to go star-hunting.

https://kingjamesgospel.com/2023/05/12/grade-trade-jarrett-allen-mavs-proposed-deal-cavaliers/2/

(06-01-2023, 08:07 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I’m all about that trade. We could draft Hendricks. Trade THJ for Brooks SnT. Stretch waive Bertans. MLE to Grant Williams and have:

Luka/Kyrie/Brooks/Williams/Allen
Hardy/Green/BAE/Hendricks/Powell

(06-01-2023, 08:08 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: That really isn't a lot.   Trades right now are all over the map with fans.  You look at fan sites and typically the ones that get traction are the ones that are typically very one sided.

I look at Gordon in Denver, Bogdonovich in Detroit, Grant in Portland, Allen in Cleveland, White in Boston, etc.   These are the quality of players Dallas needs to find with a future draft pick, expiring salary and another small asset.   They can't panic and it may take time to become available.    But this is the threshold and if they trade that first round pick for someone lesser, it will be noted.    The trick is finding a player like this who the pick hoarding teams don't feel like want to give up mulitple picks and risk not having the package for the next star.   If that is the case, Dallas could have a compelling offer....maybe much more at the deadline.  

I would certainly be a yes for this trade for Allen.

(06-01-2023, 08:07 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I’m all about that trade. We could draft Hendricks. Trade THJ for Brooks SnT. Stretch waive Bertans. MLE to Grant Williams and have:

Luka/Kyrie/Brooks/Williams/Allen
Hardy/Green/BAE/Hendricks/Powell

(06-01-2023, 09:36 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This seems realistic to me regarding Allen.  I’ve seen some other deals that don’t include any draft compensation that don’t seem realistic.  I would certainly seek to S&T Wood instead of sending Maxi.  Cleveland has plenty of room under the apron to do this to do a S&T.  Sending 2027 should buy enough good will to be able to replace Maxi with Wood.

If we imagine a world where Dallas is absolutely trying to ‘Go For It’, that world would include a trade of 2027 and probably a trade down from #10.  Note that there is no overlap in assets between the THJ/McGee/#10 for Collins/#15 deal in the other thread and the Reggie/2027/Maxi (or Wood) deal here for Allen.  If you want to keep your cost controlled guys (including #15) and use your assets for guys in their mid-20’s (other than Kyrie), then doing two trades like this is the way to go:

Bigs:     Allen/Collins/Maxi. (You can plan any two and probably keep Powell/Morris as depth)
Wings:  Green/Hardy/Pick. (Your Pick or your MLE needs to be a defender)
BH’s:    Luka/Kyrie.           (Need to come up with a depth piece here.  There are some Defender/Ball Handler types at #15)

(06-01-2023, 09:41 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: We agree on Wood/FRP for Allen.  Wood would be ideal in Cleveland alongside Mobley.

What are your thoughts on THJ to Boston for G.Williams/Pritchard?

(06-01-2023, 09:36 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This seems realistic to me regarding Allen.  I’ve seen some other deals that don’t include any draft compensation that don’t seem realistic.  I would certainly seek to S&T Wood instead of sending Maxi.  Cleveland has plenty of room under the apron to do this to do a S&T.  Sending 2027 should buy enough good will to be able to replace Maxi with Wood.

If we imagine a world where Dallas is absolutely trying to ‘Go For It’, that world would include a trade of 2027 and probably a trade down from #10.  Note that there is no overlap in assets between the THJ/McGee/#10 for Collins/#15 deal in the other thread and the Reggie/2027/Maxi (or Wood) deal here for Allen.  If you want to keep your cost controlled guys (including #15) and use your assets for guys in their mid-20’s (other than Kyrie), then doing two trades like this is the way to go:

Bigs:     Allen/Collins/Maxi. (You can plan any two and probably keep Powell/Morris as depth)
Wings:  Green/Hardy/Pick. (Your Pick or your MLE needs to be a defender)
BH’s:    Luka/Kyrie.           (Need to come up with a depth piece here.  There are some Defender/Ball Handler types at #15)

(06-01-2023, 09:41 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I question the availability of Williams for $12mm.

(06-01-2023, 11:44 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/dallas-mavericsk-grade-trade-og-anunoby-blockbuster

Would you guys do this trade? I think I would.

(06-01-2023, 11:44 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/dallas-mavericsk-grade-trade-og-anunoby-blockbuster

Would you guys do this trade? I think I would.

(06-01-2023, 11:49 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Nope, would rather have Brooks and Grant Williams for the same contract value it will be to supposedly resign OG. We then still have all those other assets too.