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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - SleepingHero - 05-30-2023
https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1663655719898365954?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg
NBA GM says there’s no ‘overwhelming sentiment’ from Lakers that they want Kyrie Irving: ‘It’s just LeBron’ https://t.co/1SGaHOV1fi
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - DanSchwartzgan - 05-30-2023
(05-30-2023, 05:57 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1663655719898365954?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg
NBA GM says there’s no ‘overwhelming sentiment’ from Lakers that they want Kyrie Irving: ‘It’s just LeBron’ https://t.co/1SGaHOV1fi
I’m not the biggest fan of NBA Central. I don’t think they do a good job of aggregation when I’m familiar with the item they are aggregating. Therefore, I presume all of their aggregation is flawed.
But, if true, that’s good news for Dallas. I don’t think Phoenix makes sense at all. Philly (if Harden goes to Houston) and Miami seem to be the biggest threats for Kyrie in my mind. But, IF we are his best option and IF we can get him at a number that doesn’t limit our other options too much, it is the best thing that can happen. It would be really interesting to know what Nico/Cuban knows right now. Is it in the bag? Do they feel insecure? And, what approach do you take to draft night based on what you do or don’t know about Kyrie?
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - HAguiar95 - 05-30-2023
How about:
Trade 1
Kyrie (S&T) for Beasley/Bamba/Vanderbilt/#17 (whatever player)/'29 1st (is it too much? LAL was ready to pay 2 unprotected 1st for Irving at TDL)
Trade 2
Beasley/Vanderbilt/McGee/#17 for Ayton (PHO has to get back at least usefull players and a pick, still think it's a good gamble)
Trade 3
Hardaway/Bullock/Bamba for Harris (PHI wants more role players, we get a reliable starter)
Trade 4
Bertans/#10/'27 DAL 1st/'29 LAL 1st for Anunoby/#13 (Get our young big wing defender and don't look back)
Doncic/MLE
Green/Hardy
Anunoby/Dick (#13)
Harris/Maxi
Ayton/Powell (BAE)
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - F Gump - 05-30-2023
(05-30-2023, 06:24 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I don’t think Phoenix makes sense at all. Philly (if Harden goes to Houston) and Miami seem to be the biggest threats for Kyrie in my mind.
I have a hard time seeing how any of those teams can realistically target Kyrie. MIA is going to be struggling to stay under the 2nd apron (as is PHX) which makes staying under a SNT hard cap problematic. PHI, even without Harden, is nowhere close to 40M in cap room - just the foursome of Embiid, Harris, PJ, and Maxey leaves them with only about 24M left to spend, and they have more contracts than that to account for.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo - Jakeospikez - 05-30-2023
(05-30-2023, 06:51 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Don't really care what the Spurs get out of this. Just care about the Mav's building the best thing they can build.
I think there is a huge overvaluation of the #10 lottery ticket here. We know with near certainty that the player taken here won't be a significant playoff contributor for the next couple of years. We don't know if this player will even be a starter in that period of time.
The point of the 'junk' from SA (and I don't disagree) is the opportunity to use the assets (mainly the pick) elsewhere. I already showed how Draymond might be included in such a deal. What if we sent both Bertans and McGee into SA's cap space and swapped #10 for 33 and Atlanta's 2025 (so, no junk returning). We know from last year that #11 was worth 3 protected firsts. Why not a second, an unprotected first and a salary dump (SA isn't at the floor for 2022/23 and needs to get to the floor for the upcoming season, so they will use their space in one form or another.
You don't do the SA deal unless you have something else lined up. Such a deal with SA would provide a $21.4mm TE. OG and either Koloko or Achiuwa would fit into that TE. Toronto isn't going to get a better offer for OG than two unprotected firsts (25 Atl and 27 Dallas) and no returning salary (an important aspect of this). OG is one of those guys who probably can't sign an extension and will reach UFA a year from now. We solve our two biggest problems and Toronto can potentially keep whoever else they want from their current team.
I think some could care about the FO image from something like that heh. I think it'd be a really bad look if the Mavs/Spurs started having some consistent playoff battles again like the Dirk/Duncan days and a key piece was gifted to them like that. Nothin wrong with focusing on your own self above all though.
I don't think it's that crazy to think a rookie can contribute in the playoffs at a meaningful level unless you take someone super raw. Decent chance someone like Coulibaly is not doing jack for an entire rookie contract.
This is a mega outlier but Kawhi's rookie year in the playoffs - 27mins, 8.6/5.9/.6/1.2/.4 on 50/45/81, lost in WCF. 2nd year - 37mins, 13.5/9/1/1.8/.5 on 54.5/39/63. Lost in finals cause of Ray Allen. 3rd year - 32mins, 14.3/6.7/1.7/1.7/.6 on 51/42/73.6. Guarded Lebron all the time and won Finals MVP. He was playing with some HoFers and all that but just sayin it's not impossible for a rookie to be a solid contributor in the playoffs early if they just need to be a role player. Playing off of Luka & Kyrie means a rookie just needs to be a solid role player.
My main concern is having to get some rookie scale deals on the books from rookies that are depth with upside to become starters. Using picks to trade for players that have high desirability from the entire league will leave the cap pretty rough. Maybe if the trade had some young players included, which I guess Koloko is, it can be alright but I'm not sure the Raps take that deal. Even if the handshake deal was there with the Raptors for all that, definitely do not want to be fleeced in the Spurs portion of the trade. The other deals are better, I just think this is the highest the Mavs should expect to be drafting in the near future so they need to capitalize with at least 1 lottery or at least very close to lottery talent. Barring injury, I don't think this tank job will be happening again anytime soon. I guess it's cool to have other teams picks sometimes so you can take joy in their downfall as they gift a lottery pick, but the Mavs have not been savvy with their recent deals and it's probably too late for that now. Luka is 24 though, this isn't like Steph Curry or Lebron here. No need to shove all in, need to have enough to be competitive and make playoff runs, but be on the rise and competitive for a long time. Shoving all in too hard and failing with assets that lose all their value and another broken capsheet is probably how Luka leaves, because going through a rebuild would not be in his interest.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo - SleepingHero - 05-30-2023
(05-30-2023, 06:51 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think there is a huge overvaluation of the #10 lottery ticket here. We know with near certainty that the player taken here won't be a significant playoff contributor for the next couple of years. We don't know if this player will even be a starter in that period of time.
Speaking to the valuation of the 10th pick, you inspired me to look at the last 8 drafts to accurately gauge the value of #10. We can sorta peg the value* of the 10th pick at around 2-4 FRPs (if unprotected then lower, if protected then the higher amount).
*Of course variation of the perception of how deep said draft was at the time will affect the valuation. This draft class has been noted as deeper than others recently, so that should be considered when factoring in the valuation of the pick.
2022: Knicks trade the 11th pick to OKC for multiple firsts (2023 1st from DEN, 2023 1st from WAS, 2023 1st from Detroit, all protected). This right here shows that a pick roughly around 10 is worth at least 3 protected (and in this case pretty heavily protected 1sts). This deal was also intertwined with a trade with Charlotte and Detroit, which let the Knicks flip 1 of those picks to clear Kemba's 8 mil of salary. Net: 2 FRPs+8 mil of salary relief.
2019: MIN trades 11+Saric to the Suns for #6. Saric at the time was seen as a solid role player, but nothing incredibly special. It should be noted that this draft was seen as top heavy, and outside of the top 3 it was a bit of a crapshoot. Not a perfect 1:1, but a pick lower than #10+a solid role player on an okay contract was enough to move up 5 spots. Net: Moving up 5 spots.
2018: We all loved this draft, but in it PHX moved up 6 spots. They traded for #10, and it cost them #16+2021 FRP from MIA (that became #18 and Tre Mann). This draft was hailed as one of the best ones since 2003, so a high valuation. 10th pick essentially cost a move down of 6 spots and an unprotected FRP.
In that very same draft, #11 (who was SGA) was traded for #12+2 2nd round picks.
2017: POR traded up for the 10th pick. They traded 15+20 for #10. Again 2 FRPs.
I can keep going but this is already a wall of text. Mavs should be able to squeeze at the minimum 2 FRPs. If they are using #10 as a chip to bring in a starter, then they should at the minimum get 1 additional FRP.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - Mavs2021 - 05-31-2023
(05-30-2023, 06:24 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I’m not the biggest fan of NBA Central. I don’t think they do a good job of aggregation when I’m familiar with the item they are aggregating. Therefore, I presume all of their aggregation is flawed.
But, if true, that’s good news for Dallas. I don’t think Phoenix makes sense at all. Philly (if Harden goes to Houston) and Miami seem to be the biggest threats for Kyrie in my mind. But, IF we are his best option and IF we can get him at a number that doesn’t limit our other options too much, it is the best thing that can happen. It would be really interesting to know what Nico/Cuban knows right now. Is it in the bag? Do they feel insecure? And, what approach do you take to draft night based on what you do or don’t know about Kyrie?
This is Kyrie Irving we talking about here, who wants max money, play for the team of his choice and be treated like a princess all the time.
So if he has no other option than the Mavs to get his max money, what makes you think the princess wouldn´t start tearing down the castle in six months, so he does get the team he wants after getting the max money he wanted.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - omahen - 05-31-2023
(05-30-2023, 06:24 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I’m not the biggest fan of NBA Central. I don’t think they do a good job of aggregation when I’m familiar with the item they are aggregating. Therefore, I presume all of their aggregation is flawed.
But, if true, that’s good news for Dallas. I don’t think Phoenix makes sense at all. Philly (if Harden goes to Houston) and Miami seem to be the biggest threats for Kyrie in my mind. But, IF we are his best option and IF we can get him at a number that doesn’t limit our other options too much, it is the best thing that can happen. It would be really interesting to know what Nico/Cuban knows right now. Is it in the bag? Do they feel insecure? And, what approach do you take to draft night based on what you do or don’t know about Kyrie?
I am pretty sure Mavs and Kyrie already agreed on the deal when trade was done. At least I hope they have.
Other than that, I would have two fears:
- Kyrie willing to take much less to go where he wants to (caused by Mavs lowballing him)
- Houston, if they fail with Harden. Their Green has been talking high praise about Kyrie.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo - DanSchwartzgan - 05-31-2023
(05-30-2023, 11:22 PM)SleepingHero Wrote:
2022: 11th pick for 2023 1st from DEN, 2023 1st from WAS, 2023 1st from Detroit, all protected...the Knicks flip 1 of those picks to clear Kemba's 8 mil of salary. Net: 2 FRPs+8 mil of salary relief.
2019: MIN trades 11+Saric to the Suns for #6. Saric at the time was seen as a solid role player...on an okay contract was enough to move up 5 spots. Net: Moving up 5 spots.
2018: PHX traded for #10, and it cost them #16+2021 FRP from MIA. 10th pick essentially cost a move down of 6 spots and an unprotected FRP.
In that very same draft, #11 (who was SGA) was traded for #12+2 2nd round picks.
2017: POR traded up for the 10th pick. They traded 15+20 for #10. Again 2 FRPs.
This is good stuff. Thanks for doing the work. Let's look at each and see if there are equivalent deals that Dallas can make today.
2022: I'd say Reggie is move valuable than Kemba and Bertans is much worse. It is well established that the going rate to eat $20mm of salary is a late first. So, someone eating Bertans and Dallas getting back two protected firsts is roughly in the neighborhood of this (especially given the strength of this draft). The question as relates to my SA proposal (Bertans/McGee/10 for Air and unprotected 2025) is the value variance between a protected and an unprotected pick. Is unprotected 1.5X a protected? 1.75X? It probably depends on the franchise the pick is coming from. If half a pick is going to get rid of McGee and the Unprotected Atlanta pick is 1.5X, then the proposed deal isn't crazy at all (again, I don't make such a deal unless I have the back half of things lined up already).
2019: This is kind of nuts. Saric didn't start half of his games for Philly the year before the trade. Is he Maxi on the current Mav's roster? So, Maxi plus #10 gets you to #6 and you get the best of the run of big wings instead of the leftovers at #10?
2018: This is easy to replicate. Utah at #16. They also have 28, but rather than take on a second rookie that late in the round, you get one of the three 1sts they have in 2025. The board would howl at the superstar we missed at #10, so pretty quickly we'd need to flip that 2025 pick into something useful. All three of the picks Utah has in 2025 are currently unprotected. They could certainly put some protection on one of those picks before trading it.
2017: #15 and #20 is a bit stronger than Brooklyn's picks at #21/#22, but it is probably the closest comparison in this year's draft. Since Brooklyn has a large TPE and an overabundance of wings, there are ways to add more value from their side of this to our side. We just have to be mindful of their tax situation and estimate what Cam Johnson will cost as we make proposals. They will be repeaters if they are in the LT this year.
To me, the hardest of these to replicate is 2019. I just can't see Orlando taking anything we have to move down to #10 (especially since they already have #11). Same applies to Detroit and Indy sitting either side of Orlando. The other deals have equivalent opportunities in the current draft...many of which we've discussed or got close to in various proposals people have made.
(05-31-2023, 05:56 AM)omahen Wrote: I am pretty sure Mavs and Kyrie already agreed on the deal when trade was done. At least I hope they have.
Other than that, I would have two fears:
- Kyrie willing to take much less to go where he wants to (caused by Mavs lowballing him)
- Houston, if they fail with Harden. Their Green has been talking high praise about Kyrie.
You'll have to take that up with FG. He shot down the idea that Houston would have interest in Kyrie when I brought it up a while back. I agree with you. They want a big name and probably aren't smart enough to care about fit. Impatience does that to teams.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - DanSchwartzgan - 05-31-2023
(05-30-2023, 08:12 PM)F Gump Wrote: I have a hard time seeing how any of those teams can realistically target Kyrie. MIA is going to be struggling to stay under the 2nd apron (as is PHX) which makes staying under a SNT hard cap problematic. PHI, even without Harden, is nowhere close to 40M in cap room - just the foursome of Embiid, Harris, PJ, and Maxey leaves them with only about 24M left to spend, and they have more contracts than that to account for.
I realize people don't hang on every word I post and don't remember specific proposals. I should probably do a better job of referencing back to past writings. I'm not envisioning anyone using cap room here. So, the apron issues are the ones to be concerned about. The Philly one is tough. I'm envisioning them getting a TE from Houston in a deal for Harden and us using that same TE to send Kyrie. We would have to take something back from them or they wouldn't be able to sign their FA's. Alternatively, they could pay to move some additional salary. The problem is they don't have much in the way of trash contracts to give away besides Korkmaz. I think Philly would be VERY motivated to figure out a way to get a second star if Harden moved on. It might include paying us to take Harris as a one year hold on getting cap room.
The Miami deal I've talked about is trade matching. The Heat are already over the apron and have to sign Vincent and Strus. Lowry, Herro and Jovic for Kyrie at his max saves about $12mm. Miami would need to pay someone to eat the Oladipo contract, but they are pretty resourceful. NY didn't have the cap space to do what they did last summer and we all know how that turned out. Dallas could take a hard line stand and end up just like they did a year ago. I think the smarter play (all this assumes Kyrie wants to go to a contender in the east) is to play along and get what you can.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - F Gump - 05-31-2023
(05-31-2023, 07:10 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'm not envisioning anyone using cap room here. So, the apron issues are the ones to be concerned about. The Philly one is tough. I'm envisioning them getting a TE from Houston in a deal for Harden and us using that same TE to send Kyrie. We would have to take something back from them or they wouldn't be able to sign their FA's. Alternatively, they could pay to move some additional salary. The problem is they don't have much in the way of trash contracts to give away besides Korkmaz. I think Philly would be VERY motivated to figure out a way to get a second star if Harden moved on. It might include paying us to take Harris as a one year hold on getting cap room.
The Miami deal I've talked about is trade matching. The Heat are already over the apron and have to sign Vincent and Strus. Lowry, Herro and Jovic for Kyrie at his max saves about $12mm. Miami would need to pay someone to eat the Oladipo contract, but they are pretty resourceful. NY didn't have the cap space to do what they did last summer and we all know how that turned out. Dallas could take a hard line stand and end up just like they did a year ago. I think the smarter play (all this assumes Kyrie wants to go to a contender in the east) is to play along and get what you can.
1 If you're not envisioning cap room, then two things are true: (1) nothing can be done unless the Mavs get paid for Kyrie in assets via trade, and (2) there is no parallel to JB, and no reason to bring him up, since Kyrie can NOT just be signed away by PHI,MIA, PHX.
2 With PHI you envision trade MATCHING via TPE, but what's the offer to interest DAL? They are stripped of picks. You think they would offer Maxey and all the 2nds they own? Mavs would have no reason to take their trash.
I think the thing being overlooked re these teams is that none of them can force the issue.
They are only "threats" to make an offer to trade for Kyrie, just like they made an offer to BKN, and they are all dodging payroll issues. And the Mavs are NOT the solution - Cuban won't want the extra salary either.
Like with LA, is there going to be anything truly worth considering? Or is it essentially junk, for an all-star?
Most of all, I think DAL does offer what Kyrie wants. He wants a team with another star, rather than a scrub starless team that has no potential, and he wants to get paid. Unless Cuban cheaps out (which is certainly a possibility, of course).
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - DanSchwartzgan - 05-31-2023
(05-31-2023, 10:37 AM)F Gump Wrote: 1 If you're not envisioning cap room, then two things are true: (1) nothing can be done unless the Mavs get paid for Kyrie in assets via trade,
Most of all, I think DAL does offer what Kyrie wants.
1. Yes. That is the hope IF (and only if) Kyrie tries to force his way out.
2. That is the hope. I just don’t trust Kyrie and Cuban to get this right.
From a strategic standpoint, we can exhaust all of the ‘Kyrie stays’ team building possibilities in about five minutes. I find the more interesting part of this the ‘what if he doesn’t’ part. It would be a mistake for anyone (not you in particular) to interpret that I don’t want Kyrie. Our best position is him staying for the kind of money you and I have been discussing.
If he does stay, I see almost no version of keeping pick #10 that makes sense as the highest and best use of the asset. It is just a shiny new object that immediately loses value the moment it is driven off the lot. Whoever is taken in this spot won’t add much of anything to next years playoff run (unless we nail a once in a lifetime Kawhi Leonard with the pick). So, anyone who interprets that I’m anti keeping #10 would be correct if Kyrie is staying. There are better ways to use the resource to build a stronger team.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - F Gump - 05-31-2023
I think that the idea of trading pick 10 has to be considered in the context of who is available, and also still getting a USEFUL pick or two. Regularly punting on the draft is one reason the Mavs continue to be cap-choked every season. A team simply MUST get some cost-controlled talent that is usable, and if you keep trading away your best shots at those for higher priced players, you will inevitably end up short on talent. Which keeps happening to the Mavs.
So I would have almost no interest in a deal with no 2023 pick coming back. I doubt some super-ideal player is gettable that way, frankly. But I would be open to trading down from 10 to 21/22, for example, along with some swap of existing players.
As for the idea that there will definitely be a high demand, let's wait and see. The better trade downs happen because, in real time, some team's "draft player we simply must have" is available, but not especially wanted by the team with the pick. It doesn't always happen, however.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - Tyler - 05-31-2023
(05-30-2023, 05:57 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1663655719898365954?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg
NBA GM says there’s no ‘overwhelming sentiment’ from Lakers that they want Kyrie Irving: ‘It’s just LeBron’ https://t.co/1SGaHOV1fi
The original source is a Lakers fan site that claims in the same article that LA may not want to part with D’Angelo Russell for a third star. If you find that credible, I’m not sure what to tell ya.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - michaeltex - 05-31-2023
(05-31-2023, 10:37 AM)F Gump Wrote: ... and (2) there is no parallel to JB, and no reason to bring him up, since Kyrie can NOT just be signed away by PHI,MIA, PHX.
Apologies for butting into a very interesting dialogue.
IIRC, (but I'm getting older, so maybe not), weren't the NYKs short on cap space at this point last year? At least until they dumped a bunch of contracts into the yawing void of DET's cap space, to create signing space of their own? Is there a similar scenario that could change the dynamics this year?
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - Scott41theMavs - 05-31-2023
(05-31-2023, 12:06 PM)michaeltex Wrote: Apologies for butting into a very interesting dialogue.
IIRC, (but I'm getting older, so maybe not), weren't the NYKs short on cap space at this point last year? At least until they dumped a bunch of contracts into the yawing void of DET's cap space, to create signing space of their own? Is there a similar scenario that could change the dynamics this year?
Smart man. The like button is missed.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - F Gump - 05-31-2023
(05-31-2023, 12:06 PM)michaeltex Wrote: Apologies for butting into a very interesting dialogue.
IIRC, (but I'm getting older, so maybe not), weren't the NYKs short on cap space at this point last year? At least until they dumped a bunch of contracts into the yawing void of DET's cap space, to create signing space of their own? Is there a similar scenario that could change the dynamics this year?
It's not even in the same ballpark.
NY was at about the cap, or maybe a bit under, when they started. And they only needed about 24M in cap room for JB. So they had to clear 24M in room or maybe a bit less. (Ultimately they cleared a bit more.)
PHI/MIA/PHX are 40-50M over the cap, and if they got to the cap, they would need to open another 40M or more in cap room beyond that to pay Kyrie. In real numbers, in light of charges for empty cap slots, they would have to get their existing payroll down to about 85M.
In theory PHI would be the best bet, but only if Harden walks, and even then they would just be at about the cap or a bit over. And they don't have any available FRPs or desirable players other than Maxey to use to get teams to take bad salary.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - RoyTarpleysGhost - 05-31-2023
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/13wpv7n/buha_my_read_on_the_situation_is_that_the_lakers/
This is the guy that covers the Lakers for The Athletic.
I know we all agree Kyrie is a weird dude that might want to reunite with Lebron but I have no interest in any Laker package that doesnt include Reaves, and the Lakers aren't trading Reaves.
Rui fits great there because he can shoot/score and Lebron, AD, and Schroeder are all brick layers. I think he's become incredibly overrated and dont have much interest in him for the Mavs. I have no interest in Dangelo Russell either. Already tired of the Kyrie to Lakers trade ideas TBH.
Exactly how much cap space would we have if we just let Kyrie walk?
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - michaeltex - 05-31-2023
(05-31-2023, 12:31 PM)F Gump Wrote: It's not even in the same ballpark.
NY was at about the cap, or maybe a bit under, when they started. And they only needed about 24M in cap room for JB. So they had to clear 24M in room or maybe a bit less. (Ultimately they cleared a bit more.)
PHI/MIA/PHX are 40-50M over the cap, and if they got to the cap, they would need to open another 40M or more in cap room beyond that to pay Kyrie. In real numbers, in light of charges for empty cap slots, they would have to get their existing payroll down to about 85M.
In theory PHI would be the best bet, but only if Harden walks, and even then they would just be at about the cap or a bit over. And they don't have any available FRPs or desirable players other than Maxey to use to get teams to take bad salary.
Thanks for the clarification. I suspected this wasn't apples-to-apples.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein: Mavs have "no interest" in DLo. Celts to retain Brown? - ItsGoTime - 05-31-2023
(05-31-2023, 01:00 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Exactly how much cap space would we have if we just let Kyrie walk?Assuming we renounce the rights to all players except Powell (vet min) and keep the #10 pick (if Kyrie’s gone, one of the PGs or big wings that’ll probably be there would be good to pick up). I’m rough rounding that to be $120M. So depending on where the cap lands ($134-136M is what it looks like) we’d have $14-16M in cap space.
If we can get a SnT for someone like Grant Williams or Brooks with that money, we’d be able to utilize the full MLE and BAE as well. Get the other of Brooks or Williams for the MLE money.
Could also give Cle a TE for Allen in a trade of McGee or Bullock/27 unprotected for him. Then get 1 of Brooks or Williams for the MLE. Have BPA at #10 hopefully being 1 of Wallace, Black, Walker or Hendricks.
End up with:
Luka/Wallace/Green/Williams/Allen
BAE/Hardy/Bullock/Maxi/Powell
Luka is PG on offense and worse offensive player of opposing 3-5 defender. Wallace, Green and Brooks on perimeter duty. For sure Luka will be hunted on defense, but we have a lot of help for him all the way to the rim, as long as he shows up on defense and isn’t barking at the refs on the other end.