(05-28-2023, 01:10 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Maybe something more simple (leaving out Rui avoids BYC and hard cap for Phoenix).   BTW, I don’t think we have to accommodate Kyrie’s max in a deal with LA.  They can’t get there through cap room and $46.9mm is just a killer to their ability to fill the roster and stay under the apron.  Trade matching is one issue in setting his number.  But, paying who they want to keep and using their exception are also factors.

Phoenix Out:  Ayton (32.4)                       Phoenix In:  Beasley, Bamba and Reggie (36.5)
LA Out:  Beasley, Vandy, Bamba (31.4).    LA In:  Kyrie (up to 39.35)
Dallas Out:  Kyrie, Reggie (up to 49.8).     Dallas In:  Ayton, Vandy (37.1)

Dallas is probably owed some draft compensation here.  If THJ needs to be in instead of Reggie, I suspect Shamet comes to Dallas.  So, Phoenix gets Beasley, Bamba and THJ (44.7) for Ayton and Shamet (42.7).  Dallas gets Ayton, Shamet and Vandy (47.3) for Kyrie and THJ (up to 57.2).  Kyrie’s number doesn’t change because the LA outgoing didn’t change.

(05-29-2023, 07:06 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: This makes sense for Dallas without the pick. Ayton fills a need and will be very good in a better situation. Vandy is a massive upgrade on Reggie (bottom 5 among rotation players last year based on Raptor and Lebron). Plus, Dallas gets much younger. The problem is Phoenix. They get 3 poo poo players and wasted roster spots. No way they’d do this. But it’s a nice thought. Dallas would more than recoup what they gave up for Kyrie, which is the main goal.

(05-29-2023, 07:06 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: This makes sense for Dallas without the pick. Ayton fills a need and will be very good in a better situation. Vandy is a massive upgrade on Reggie (bottom 5 among rotation players last year based on Raptor and Lebron). Plus, Dallas gets much younger. The problem is Phoenix. They get 3 poo poo players and wasted roster spots. No way they’d do this. But it’s a nice thought. Dallas would more than recoup what they gave up for Kyrie, which is the main goal.

(05-29-2023, 09:21 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Hear me out guys....

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(05-29-2023, 09:21 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Hear me out guys....

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(05-29-2023, 09:21 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Hear me out guys....

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(05-29-2023, 09:32 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I just don't know if that Nets trade is enough.    Adding DFS and O'neal would be intriguing.  But adding Green to the trade is tough.    Green is on the up and should be able to sign for a team friendly contract this year.  Bullock was awful last year but I can see a world where he is a comparable player to DFS and O'neal next year, I think.   So I think I would pass on this trade.  But maybe I am in the minority.

For the Utah trade, they mention two late round firsts in addition to 16.   Utah has pick #28 this year but don't have any more picks.  Is that a  future pick?   I would probably be against this trade as well.  I just want to upgrade the talent.   I like Olynyk, but not sure he moves the needle to where we want to go.

(05-29-2023, 09:55 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Nope.  Josh Green is arguably the best player in this deal (certainly is over the next 3 seasons).  Dallas refused to put him in the package for Kyrie.  No way they include him in a deal for this bunch of mediocrity.

(05-29-2023, 10:55 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: Appreciate the work, but no way if Josh Green is included.

(05-29-2023, 11:02 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I guess my view of Green is lower than others. I am not sure he is worth more than a late first round pick.

(05-29-2023, 11:02 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I guess my view of Green is lower than others. I am not sure he is worth more than a late first round pick.

(05-29-2023, 09:10 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Interesting idea from "Sir Charles in Charge" site.  Plays off of SA's desire to move into the top 10 (presumably to draft a guard):

#10/Bertans for Collins/Graham and Atlanta's 2025.

SA has up to 7 first round picks between 23, 24 and 25.  So, it doesn't have to be this pick.  Collins is UFA a year from now. He's an interesting name we haven't talked about.  Spreads the floor some.  Switchable defender (fits scheme) who also blocks some shots.  Not a great rebounder and extensive injury history.  He has routinely been a net positive on-court even with bad teams.  Graham could be the third guard behind Luka and Kyrie.  He has two seasons left at about MLE money, but second season is only guaranteed for $2.8mm (so a very positive asset at the TDL).

My question would be whether you'd rather have the depth with Graham, or no returning salary and a TE.  It feels like the Collins/Bertans/picks parts of this would be good for both teams (except, you just can't count on Collins being an 82 game guy).  Given the value of Graham as an expiring deal (essentially), I'd probably take him.  The pick doesn't have to be the Atlanta pick.  I'd be very interested in adding SA's #33 as part of this.

Collins    Powell     McGee
Luka      Maxi        Morris
Green    Reggie     Lawson
THJ       Hardy      Holiday
Irving    Graham    #33

Note, this team didn't need to spend the MLE and is under the tax.  It can trade a chunk of salary between Reggie and Graham at the TDL along with the Atlanta 2025 first and the Dallas 2027.

BTW, if one wanted to still do a deal for Ayton, doing it at the same time as the rest of this makes the deal large enough that THJ/McGee is a trade match for Ayton without the need to include Green.

(05-29-2023, 11:26 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Oh yeah, we definitely don't agree on this.  JG is exactly what everyone is looking for.  +D, high percentage on 3's.  Can destroy closeouts, runs the floor and a good mover of the ball.  I literally wouldn't trade him for DFS AND a late first round pick.  People have underappreciated him from the beginning because of who he wasn't.  But what he has become is incredibly valuable.

Unrelated to your idea (but related to Brooklyn), I've cooled considerably to the idea of dumping salary to them.  They need to get under the tax this season (repeater) and signing Cam Johnson and taking on a salary into their TPE (like Bertans) isn't going to allow that to happen.

That leaves SA as the only team that can facilitate a salary dump before 7/1 ($22.1mm according to Spotrac).  If it turns out we really aren't meeting with guys who might go at #10 and are meeting with guys in the late first or early second, I'd keep an eye on SA.  I really like some things about the SCIC trade idea I posted above.  It requires us to think of improvement as a two step process with the second step being what we can get from trading picks and using expiring contracts like Graham and Reggie.  BTW, you know who is a trade match for Graham + Reggie?  Draymond.  Front court is now Draymond, Collins and Maxi.  Mix and match any combination.  All of them are very switchable.  D goes up dramatically.

(05-29-2023, 11:42 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: IMO, Collins is an early retirement candidate.  That finger that refuses to heal scares me.  He had his worst season last year since his rookie year.  As you mention he's not a good rebounder.

(05-28-2023, 01:10 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Maybe something more simple (leaving out Rui avoids BYC and hard cap for Phoenix).   BTW, I don’t think we have to accommodate Kyrie’s max in a deal with LA.  They can’t get there through cap room and $46.9mm is just a killer to their ability to fill the roster and stay under the apron.  Trade matching is one issue in setting his number.  But, paying who they want to keep and using their exception are also factors.

Phoenix Out:  Ayton (32.4)                       Phoenix In:  Beasley, Bamba and Reggie (36.5)
LA Out:  Beasley, Vandy, Bamba (31.4).    LA In:  Kyrie (up to 39.35)
Dallas Out:  Kyrie, Reggie (up to 49.8).     Dallas In:  Ayton, Vandy (37.1)

Dallas is probably owed some draft compensation here.  If THJ needs to be in instead of Reggie, I suspect Shamet comes to Dallas.  So, Phoenix gets Beasley, Bamba and THJ (44.7) for Ayton and Shamet (42.7).  Dallas gets Ayton, Shamet and Vandy (47.3) for Kyrie and THJ (up to 57.2).  Kyrie’s number doesn’t change because the LA outgoing didn’t change.

(05-29-2023, 11:45 AM)omahen Wrote: Dan is speaking about San Antonio Collins, not Atlanta one.

I am basically against all money saving trades. Neither Collins nor Graham are not nearly worth compared to what #10 could develop into. This kind of guys should be obtained for vet min or exception money, not using #10 pick, imho. If I am trading #10, it is for an established starter. Otherwise rather keep it.

(05-29-2023, 11:45 AM)omahen Wrote: Dan is speaking about San Antonio Collins, not Atlanta one.

I am basically against all money saving trades. Neither Collins nor Graham are not nearly worth compared to what #10 could develop into. This kind of guys should be obtained for vet min or exception money, not using #10 pick, imho. If I am trading #10, it is for an established starter. Otherwise rather keep it.