(05-25-2023, 12:38 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: If he comes with Nic Claxton I'm all for it. 

I just don't think the Nets are really motivated to attach their starting center in a deal like that. Heck though DFS was horrible for them, I'm hesitant to say they'd trade 21+22+DFS for #10.

(05-25-2023, 06:24 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I still think Nets make the most sense for trade down. Jazz and Pacers are also obvious candidates. 

Nets have Oneale and DFS. Don’t think they would give up Claxton. They need to cut salaries so i could see them wanting to move DFS to open space for retaining Cam Johnson. Also, while 21 and 22 would be great i could see them giving us one of those along with DFS to move up to 10

Something like:

Mavs get: DFS, Mills and 22

Nets get: 10 and Bullock and Mcgee while saving short and long term $

(05-25-2023, 08:38 AM)omahen Wrote:  
2. Summer - trade 2027 and Bertans (also add McGee if possible) for useful players that have less salary. I don't know - Bertans to Charlotte for Martin and Jones (and whatever draft capital Mavs could get back). To Indy for Theis and Duarte. Bertans and McGee to Detroit for Stewart and Burks? Stuff like that.
3. Use the savings to bring another decent player with exception money.

(05-25-2023, 08:56 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Do you mean 27 and Bertans for Martin and Jones for this summer or next?

The 27 pick is valuable to teams but it is far enough away that a current GM may not want to wait on it as he may not be making the pick.    I think this trade deadline or next summer is where this 27 pick could be valuable when combining it with Bullock (Trade deadline) or Bertans (trade deadline/next offseason).   I would hope they stay opportunistic with this 27 first and don't jump at the first offer.   I look at examples of Lauri traded to Cleveland, Grant traded to Portland, Allen traded to Cleveland, Gordon traded to Denver as the value I would like to get back for the 27 pick plus expirings.

The trick is finding a player who is not too good that the teams hoarding picks would throw in multiple picks for but also one where the player is good enough to be a clear upgrade to this roster.

(05-25-2023, 09:38 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: With a new GM in Washington, any chance he wants to move some pieces?

Bullock/McGee/27 unprotected for Gafford/Avdija?

I think this is possible if he wants to move Beal and build around KP and Kuzma.

(05-25-2023, 09:47 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: You guys really want a non-shooting big? Why not someone who can rebound, protect the rim and also shoot the 3?

If the Mavs are going to trade 10, I want these guys:
Stewart+Hayes+filler+31 for 10 and any combo of McGee/THJ/SNT Wood/Bertans

(05-25-2023, 04:38 AM)omahen Wrote: Harden max deal will immediately become one of the worst contracts in the league. So good luck to Houston, I guess. I wonder how Philly pivots if Harden really walks. Will Embiid demand out? Is there another star that could become available. Maxey (and Harris) for Beal? Same for Lillard? Are their contracts really any better than Harden one?

(05-25-2023, 10:21 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: So...

Who'd you rather have?  Harden on a 4-year deal starting at $40m?  Or Kyrie?

(05-25-2023, 10:11 AM)omahen Wrote: I doubt he would build around KP and Kuzma. I think if they are selling, everything should go and both could bring something in SnT if Washington is taking bad salaries back. I would just clean the house and gather as much future assets as possible. Morris and Wright could also bring a couple of second rounders. 

Personally I am not really a fan of Avdija, but I could see something like this, if you replace Bullock with Bertans. Still, I would want a future lottery protected pick or something similar back. Spend the remaining assets on another big wing (either draft or trade).

(05-25-2023, 10:34 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: If he can get stuff for them, sure. I don’t think that’ll be much the case. My thought was to give them a group to play with and build their value a bit more then trade them off. KP being a couple years from major injury would do a lot for his value IMO.

(05-25-2023, 10:38 AM)omahen Wrote: The downside is, both would likely sign hefty long term deals. And it might be more likely that KP gets injured again than stay healthy for another season. I think if Washington decides to rebuild, they need to be really bad for a couple of seasons to hopefully draft a star in one or two drafts, than build around that guy.

(05-25-2023, 10:43 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I can maybe see a market for Kuzma (maybe), but with KP, they would be bidding against themselves if they make it a hefty deal.

(05-25-2023, 10:38 AM)omahen Wrote: The downside is, both would likely sign hefty long term deals. And it might be more likely that KP gets injured again than stay healthy for another season. I think if Washington decides to rebuild, they need to be really bad for a couple of seasons to hopefully draft a star in one or two drafts, than build around that guy.

(05-25-2023, 08:38 AM)omahen Wrote: A short recap of the article. Mavs are one of a large group of teams (9 in total counting Mavs) who are good, but not good enough. All with limited draft assets and projected to be in the tax next season. So, how do they pivot from here? All of them would want to reduce payroll while simultaneously improve their squads. Not an easy task to do at all. If you want to trade within this group, everyone will be looking for a thing they can't provide - less salary. So, are the deals within this group possible without adding a third team?

My comment regarding Mavs, also touching that 5 year plan. Mavs chose to ride with Kyrie. If they sign him for three, four or whatever years, the possibility of him remaining a good soldier for more than 1 or 2 years is very low. If (when?) that happens, his value will be negative - due to his age his value might be negative in any case. So how do you pivot, if (when?) relationship goes bad? Is there any other way but try to win in that 1 to 2 year window? I don't think so, unless you hit the jack-pot and draft a star with #10. A good player would not be enough.

Mavs cap situation doesn't look that bad, really. If Kyrie resigns for 45 mil and they add a FRP at 5 mil + 4 mil for four incomplete roster spots, they are basically at tax line. This is for 9 players (plus the pick). You don't need more players for playoff rotation. The key would be to either replace or stretch the players that don't fit without adding additional salary to what it is owed to this existing guys. THJ+Bertans+McGee are 40 mil of salary, with the pick this is 45 mil of salary. Bullock and Kleber are also expendable. A year later Bullock comes of the books and Green will have to be paid - hopefully his extension doesn't get well over 10 mil. Another decision Mavs likely need to make this summer. Either negotiate a still relatively low number or trade him. They don't want to be trapped if he completely breaks out this season, imho.

So how would my plan look like.
1. Do best possible with the pick. Either draft a player if the one you really like is there or trade him without bringing additional salary in. Use any combination of Bullock/Maxi/McGee/Bertans/THJ. Green and Hardy of the table, unless you are certain you can't reach a reasonable extension with Green.
2. Summer - trade 2027 and Bertans (also add McGee if possible) for useful players that have less salary. I don't know - Bertans to Charlotte for Martin and Jones (and whatever draft capital Mavs could get back). To Indy for Theis and Duarte. Bertans and McGee to Detroit for Stewart and Burks? Stuff like that.
3. Use the savings to bring another decent player with exception money.

(05-25-2023, 10:54 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: IF this is true and these teams, including the Mavs, are behind the 8 ball.  I hope the Mavs don't panic.  It will be hard not to due to their past mistakes and style of doing things in the past.   But if they are stuck, the easiest ways to change that is the folllowing:

1) hit your draft pick.  Either at 10 or trade down.  Expecting immediate results is the short game, but you really want to find an attractive asset who can also be a part of your future core.  
2) target a distressed asset.  You need to be right here because typically this player is going to carry a decent salary.   
3) uncover an hidden asset.   This can be a young player, a player who has not popped yet or a second round/undrafted guy.

You can do all this offseason, but it will be asking a lot of this front office.

ItsGoTime Wrote:Maybe the problem is you’re trying to “win” something here. You asked my opinion, I gave it with my reasoning, you got upset with that reasoning. You seem to think he has more value than 17, how about you share what value you think he has instead of trying to confront me on mine? We can then agree to disagree and move on.

(05-25-2023, 04:38 AM)omahen Wrote: Harden max deal will immediately become one of the worst contracts in the league. So good luck to Houston, I guess. I wonder how Philly pivots if Harden really walks. Will Embiid demand out? Is there another star that could become available. Maxey (and Harris) for Beal? Same for Lillard? Are their contracts really any better than Harden one?