(04-11-2024, 09:04 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Just throwing this out there, if the Heat fail in the playoffs, or heck even miss the playoffs, how much would you be willing to offer for a potential Jimmy Butler deal? He's due for a max extension that will pay him till he's 38.

But in terms of fit, isn't he the ideal 3 that we'd want next to Kyrie and Luka?

(04-11-2024, 08:00 AM)soog Wrote: I was perusing stats last night looking for targets and Jalen Johnson on the Hawks really jumped out as someone that has a lot of potential. Hawks seem pretty high on him but he is raw enough that maybe he is getable with an overpay?

The other team I keep coming back to is Portland. I don’t see how Jerami Grant fits in to their plans now that Dame is gone. I have to think he is getable for future assets. I realize he is already 30 but he is a long (7’3” wingspan) versatile player who can shoot and would fit well along Luka/Ky/PJ/Gafford. Another plus is he is locked up for a long time so Dallas's starting 5 will be stable for a number of years.

Even though I feel like it verges on being too much for a 30 year old player, would anyone here consider a deal of THJ + 2 FRPs + filler for Jerami Grant? Would Portland go for this?

(04-11-2024, 11:14 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Jalen Jackson is going to be a stud.  I just don't see ATL letting him go.

Grant is a poor rebounder and meh defender.  If we could get him for that package, though, you do that deal.

(04-11-2024, 11:55 AM)mvossman Wrote: So I agree with your assessment of Grant, but then you are happy to send out our last two firsts for him?

(04-11-2024, 11:50 AM)mvossman Wrote: I think PJ is the better fit and we already have him.  He is better defender and rebounder, and I don't think Grant's offense is nearly good enough to balance out that plus two firsts.  If you play them both together, who is your POA defender?

(04-11-2024, 12:03 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: From an asset perspective, yes.  He'd immediately be our #3 scorer.  Think of him as a THJ upgrade.  From a contract perspective, his is pretty ugly.  27-28 $36.4mill PO.

(04-11-2024, 12:08 PM)mvossman Wrote: Why in the world would we pay two first for a Timmy upgrade?

(04-11-2024, 11:28 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Don't sleep on GG Jackson.  Good defender.  Shooting 35%3pt, which is good for a rookie.  Great size.  I see a lot of upside.

(04-11-2024, 11:46 AM)mvossman Wrote: Same argument as Paul George.  He will be 35 next season, struggles with staying on the court, and crazy expensive (both cap and assets).  To be honest, I think George is actually a little better fit on this team next to Luka and Kyrie.

(04-11-2024, 12:30 PM)youzigizag Wrote: Yall talking Jimmy Butler and Paul George...

Yet Andrew Wiggins is only 29 and cheaper than those guys.  Ascending contract...but cap keeps going up.

Andrew Wiggins is frowned upon here though.  Long, athletic, can defend, doesnt require the ball, no major fundamental flaws in his bball skills, can shoot the 3,  proven playoff performer(disruptive on defense in GS playoffs)

I dont understand the Butler and George talk at their age and contracts.  I like both player...both would have been perfect next to Luka if under 30 years old.  My selfish opinion...I dont want players that are so old that have to be game managed a lot during the regular season.  At some point George and Butler will have to consider wear on their bodies and save their fuel for Playoffs. 

Butler and George are both more reliable 2-ways as far as scoring goes...but that age is scary at that price point.

(04-11-2024, 12:37 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: If we don't try to scout out a young SF to fit the bill, yes, Wiggins is the best fit of all the vets.  Let's keep Uncle Kyrie uncle.

(04-11-2024, 08:00 AM)soog Wrote: I was perusing stats last night looking for targets and Jalen Johnson on the Hawks really jumped out as someone that has a lot of potential. Hawks seem pretty high on him but he is raw enough that maybe he is getable with an overpay?

The other team I keep coming back to is Portland. I don’t see how Jerami Grant fits in to their plans now that Dame is gone. I have to think he is getable for future assets. I realize he is already 30 but he is a long (7’3” wingspan) versatile player who can shoot and would fit well along Luka/Ky/PJ/Gafford. Another plus is he is locked up for a long time so Dallas's starting 5 will be stable for a number of years.

Even though I feel like it verges on being too much for a 30 year old player, would anyone here consider a deal of THJ + 2 FRPs + filler for Jerami Grant? Would Portland go for this?

(04-11-2024, 12:19 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: A SnT with the Clips kicks in the rules of 175%+250k as a match for salary.

(04-11-2024, 12:30 PM)youzigizag Wrote: Yall talking Jimmy Butler and Paul George...

Yet Andrew Wiggins is only 29 and cheaper than those guys.  Ascending contract...but cap keeps going up.

Andrew Wiggins is frowned upon here though.  Long, athletic, can defend, doesnt require the ball, no major fundamental flaws in his bball skills, can shoot the 3,  proven playoff performer(disruptive on defense in GS playoffs)

I dont understand the Butler and George talk at their age and contracts.  I like both player...both would have been perfect next to Luka if under 30 years old.  My selfish opinion...I dont want players that are so old that have to be game managed a lot during the regular season.  At some point George and Butler will have to consider wear on their bodies and save their fuel for Playoffs. 

Butler and George are both more reliable 2-ways as far as scoring goes...but that age is scary at that price point.

(04-11-2024, 02:24 PM)F Gump Wrote: No. There is no such thing as a SNT with the Clippers, since they will be over Apron 2 (unless you think they will let Harden walk). And any non-SNT trade between DAL-LAC would have to be an exact dollar match, within 250K.

(04-11-2024, 02:35 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Oops. You're right.

I did my math without Harden's cap hold. Theoretically they could re-sign Harden to a moderate sized contract in the mid 20s and they'd be under the 2nd apron.

But the pipe dream has gotten even less realistic there. 

I haven't been able to properly respond to your Caruso idea from earlier. But just because I'm tinkering with this George fantasy doesn't mean I think it's the best course of action.  I think your avenue makes much more sense not only from a cap perspective but also from a chemistry perspective. I'm trying to work up a list of guys who I think would fit your framework and make sense. Hopefully I find the time to finish it soon!