(05-23-2023, 03:32 PM)omahen Wrote: Tate brings a lot of what Mavs need. I was proposing Tate+Garuba, I guess Eason is not that different value wise. Tate might also lose his role on Houston if they get Brooks. I actually think the value is still light in case of Garuba. I don't have any opinion about Eason. I would also want #20 from Houston.

(05-23-2023, 03:25 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: OG and Bridges were both starters for their teams (OG on a playoff team) while Eason is a backup on a worst in the league record team type. That makes it really hard to give him any value other than a #17 pick (if anything, he's lost value). I get why he's off the bench, but it just doesn't make things easier to evaluate when trying to make a comparison or picturing him starting here (I would think he'd have to win that spot depending on who we bring in this offseason).

What would be the extra compensation? Problem is I don't have a good handle on who most of their guys are. They are targeting Harden and a PG when Green is a combo G which gives me a bit of pause as to what the direction is. However, Tate is a defensive stopper for them, Is he too much compensation? Tate and Eason for Bullock and #10?

(05-23-2023, 07:51 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Point taken, but you can't poo-poo the analysis because Tari plays on a terrible team.  His competition is the same.  

(05-24-2023, 10:13 AM)HAguiar95 Wrote: I know we're all on the Hardy hype train (myself included) but with Kidd and our guard rotation, I'm really struggling to see where he fits, even if THJ is gone (would Kidd insert him into THJ's spot?), however I wonder what we could possibly get in return. Would this be a thing?

Hardy, Bertans for Morris, Gafford

Doncic/Morris
Irving/THJ
Green/Bullock
#10/Kleber
Gafford/Powell

(05-23-2023, 10:24 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: It was about being a bench player more than a losing team (Suns were horrible in Bridges rookie year). That makes the competition the players are facing a lot different. I also didn’t poo-poo the analysis, just said it makes it that much harder to figure out, which is what keeps the value no better than the 17 spot he was picked at.

(05-24-2023, 04:34 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I really like the 3-way based upon Kyrie to LAL, Reaves to HOU, Eason to DAL.

(05-24-2023, 04:34 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I think you are very much on an island thinking Eason has not improved his worth at #17.  

OG only played in 67 games and started only 6 games in the championship year.  Why?  Kawhi, Siakom, Ibaka, and Green all got more F minutes than he did.

Eason played in all 82 games but started only 5 games in his rookie year.  Why?  Porter Jr, Smith Jr, Gordon, Martin Jr, and Tate all got more wing minutes.  He was a rookie.  To simply say his production is in question because established, talented vets were ahead of him in the depth chart.

If you are looking for a young player with incredible substantiated stats, they we will be untouchable.  You have to mine the diamond before it's cut and polished.  Point is Eason for one rookie year compares favorably to the second year of two stud wings who are now out of our grasp.  We have to find the next OG and Mikal.

If Houston whiffs on Harden, Reaves is an incredible fit.  I really like the 3-way based upon Kyrie to LAL, Reaves to HOU, Eason to DAL.

(05-24-2023, 05:11 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Why are you getting in a huff in a conversation where I’m pretty much on your side of it? WTF mate? You asked what value in trade I think Eason has. I gave my opinion based on what I see. He has potential to be much better, but he hasn’t realized that potential (you yourself even said that). His stats in his rookie year coming off the bench are not comparable to other rookie stats that were starting. Why is that a controversial statement when they didn’t play against the same competition? Most of what we would be trading for is unrealized potential with a hope that he realizes it. His potential 1 year ago was as a 17th pick in the draft. In 1 year, I don’t think he raised that value.

(05-24-2023, 04:45 PM)F Gump Wrote: There is no such 3-way. You can argue the merits of this trade until you're blue in the face, but it will never happen. Reaves won't sign a deal to go to HOU, nor for so small a contract.

(05-24-2023, 08:02 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Again, OG only started 6 games.  Eason started 5.  How is that not comparable?

(05-24-2023, 08:06 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: You know he played 62 out of 74 games his rookie season, why are you being like that?

(05-24-2023, 08:57 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Given the age difference coming into the league (20 vs 21), I was comparing Eason's rookie year to OG's second.  Point being when there's more established talent at your position, you don't start.

At 21yo...
OG: 7.0pts, 2.9rbs, 0.7asts, 0.7stl, 0.3blks in 67 games (6 starting), 20.2mins, 45.3%fg, 33.2%3pt, 106.5defrtg
Eason: 9.3pts, 6.0rbs, 1.1asts, 1.2stls, 0.6blks in 82 games (5 starting), 21.6mins, 44.8%fg, 34.3%3pt, 113.4defrtg

Do you not see the validity of the comparison now?  Only the defrtg is not a push or in Eason's advantage.  That certainly can be explained by TOT being an amazing defensive team that year and HOU being horrific.  

What's not to be forgotten here is that Eason is an excellent rebounder for a wing.

(05-24-2023, 09:32 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Feels like you’re arguing for Eason’s potential as opposed to his value.

(05-24-2023, 11:00 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: OK, you win.  I tap out.  You are right.  I am wrong.  Jeez.  If you don't think that potential of a rookie player doesn't measure into his value, there's no talking to you.

(05-24-2023, 11:13 PM)The Jom Wrote: I would personally deliver #10 to Brooklyn for a DFS return. He’s a Mav. Lost our Doe-Doe, then our mojo. Need both back.

(05-25-2023, 03:33 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: The 76ers have not shown an appetite to pay James Harden the max, per @WindhorstESPN