(02-17-2024, 06:15 PM)surfpuckmd Wrote: I look forward to the THJ apology thread during the playoffs.  That should be a very busy thread.

(02-18-2024, 12:54 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't think it's ever been a question about THJ's ability to shoot the ball. He all but carried the entire Mavs sans Luka in the Clippers series in 2021.

But it's his inconsistency that drives us mad paired with lackluster defensive effort that can be targeted in the playoffs.

I have no doubts that THJ can single handedly win a playoff game, which is absurd for a role player being able to do that. But he can just as easily lose several playoff games. Hence the reason why MANY THJ haters are motivated to move off of him.

I hope THJ becomes a lights out shooter this year and helps the Mavs to a 2024 chip, I really do.

(02-18-2024, 12:41 AM)Dundalis Wrote: A third best player on this team doesn't have to be an offensive star, so not really what we need anyway.

While I'd be fine not making any major moves in the off season, if PJ in particular works out well, I legit think we are one high level defensive wing away from fighting for the 1 seed the following season and one of the clear favorites for the chip. IMO the only player on our roster with the attributes that really fits the ideal wing partner for PJ in the starting unit on a true contender is probably Omax (not saying others couldn't be good starters in that position), and dude is minimum 2 years away IMO, and that's assuming he puts it together, which is never a guarantee.

I'm happy to watch guys develop too, but if you are genuinely at a stage where you might be just 1 piece away, I think the temptation is far too great, and I'd be fine if they pulled the trigger if a guy with the right skillset became available. Given the position though, and corresponding value across the league, that type of player is likely not going to be particularly cheap. Like what would Herb Jones cost? Probably a lot, but that style and level of player could be the final piece for contention, and if the Mavs believe he is, I don't see how you don't pull the trigger even if you end up maybe overpaying for it.

(02-18-2024, 12:54 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't think it's ever been a question about THJ's ability to shoot the ball. He all but carried the entire Mavs sans Luka in the Clippers series in 2021.

But it's his inconsistency that drives us mad paired with lackluster defensive effort that can be targeted in the playoffs.

I have no doubts that THJ can single handedly win a playoff game, which is absurd for a role player being able to do that. But he can just as easily lose several playoff games. Hence the reason why MANY THJ haters are motivated to move off of him.

I hope THJ becomes a lights out shooter this year and helps the Mavs to a 2024 chip, I really do.

(02-18-2024, 11:26 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: I agree.  I think this is true of every one-dimensional 3-point specialist.  I do think at least the Clippers and Nuggets are still probably more talented overall than we are even after the trades.  I also think we'll need to shoot better from 3 against either of those teams to win a playoff series against them.  THJ's performance I think would likely be the key to taking out either of those teams.

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Truthfully, though, I'm just making conversation because there are no actual games on for a week.  I don't like the All-star break.  I don't like that it lasts a week.  I miss real NBA basketball.

(02-18-2024, 02:02 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Matej Sportinfo (@MatejSportinfo)
Luka was asked at the press conference if there's a chance of him and Jokic playing together in the future... his answer: "Anything's possible."

This has always been my biggest fear.

(02-18-2024, 11:26 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: Truthfully, though, I'm just making conversation because there are no actual games on for a week.  I don't like the All-star break.  I don't like that it lasts a week.  I miss real NBA basketball.

(02-18-2024, 03:36 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: And our biggest opportunity.  Luka has a PO in the summer of 26, which means he will take his first Super-Max extension in the summer of 2025.

Jokic has a PO in the summer of 27 on his current Super-Max.  So, he will be extension eligible in the summer of 26 (after Luka has already committed to his).  Dallas has the contracts of Kyrie, PJ, Gafford and Kleber all ending that summer.  I think from a timing standpoint it more likely Denver would consider a trade if Jokic won't sign the extension (for his second 35% of the cap contract) than it is to think Luka will pass on his first Super-Max to become UFA.  Obviously anything can happen and either could demand a trade.  But Luka is younger and surrounded by a younger group of players than Denver has around Jokic.

One wild card in all of this is Lively.  Do you really need both Lively and Jokic?  If Lively is the star we think he will be, do you give him up?  His Rookie extension is that same summer meaning he'd be PP if we traded him after he signs.

Quote:The 76ers believed they had a trade done to acquire Bulls center Andre Drummond before Chicago pulled out of talks hours before the deadline, league sources told HoopsHype. The Bulls wanted three second-round picks for Drummond, league sources said. For context, the Nets acquired three second-round picks in the three-team Royce O’Neale trade.
Drummond was considered Chicago’s top trade candidate ahead of the deadline and also drew trade offers from the Celtics and Mavericks before both organizations went in other directions, league sources told HoopsHype.

(02-19-2024, 04:38 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral)
Danuel House Jr. is currently considering his choices among multiple contenders in the Eastern Conference, such as the Atlanta Hawks, per NBA insider @PatBevPod
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(02-19-2024, 04:42 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote:

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(02-18-2024, 04:11 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I do have to ask, the same logic we're using for Luka to re-sign here with a supermax, why would Jokic also forego that extension? Wouldn't it be more likely for Jokic to extend and force a trade? 

(02-19-2024, 06:18 PM)F Gump Wrote: Luka's next time to sign a contract will include a supermax-vs-not choice. If he extends with Dallas, he will be eligible for a full 35% max deal, but with anyone else (including via SNT) he only gets 30%. 

Jokic's next time to sign a contract will not have a supermax-vs-not choice. No matter who he signs with, he will be eligible for a full 35% max deal.

If Jokic decides he wants to play elsewhere at that point, it might happen via SNT, but teams with the ability to create the necessary cap room will have some leverage. That presumes he wants to leave. 

But there has been no indication of dissatisfaction, and they are winning, so it would seem way more likely that he will sign an extension with DEN before he even gets to free agency. If I calculate correctly, that door would open on July 8, 2025, when he could be offered an extension of 3 more years at the 35% max.

(02-20-2024, 01:29 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Again I know 3 years is a long way away. But I can't see Jokic ever leaving Denver. Luka has said he's happy in Dallas and doesn't see himself leaving either. But if I had to bet on either of them leaving it'd unfortunately be the Don as much as I hate to say it.

(02-20-2024, 02:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Agreed on Luka being more of a flight risk than Jokic. But, I don't think he'll bolt to go to a place like Denver, regardless of who's playing there. IF Luka leaves, it will be to LA, Miami or NY, just like every other superstar. That's my feeling, anyway.

(02-20-2024, 06:20 PM)RGP1981 Wrote: IF he leaves (not saying he will, but IF, hence the capitilization), then I'm putting my money on Denver, Utah, or the Lakers.

Do you want odds? Neither of us lose anything if he doesn't leave. Whatcha say?

(02-20-2024, 06:20 PM)RGP1981 Wrote: IF he leaves (not saying he will, but IF, hence the capitilization), then I'm putting my money on Denver, Utah, or the Lakers.

Do you want odds? Neither of us lose anything if he doesn't leave. Whatcha say?