(02-09-2024, 12:07 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: You could look at it as we paid a 2030 pick swap to obtain Grant Williams who we then traded for PJ Washington and two 2nd-round picks.

In that case, we spent a top-2 protected 2027 1st as well as a 2030 pick swap to obtain PJ Washington and two, 2nd-round picks.

That's what it cost.

Once you've watched PJ Washington play for a while, you'll realize that this was not a good deal.

(02-09-2024, 05:09 AM)WillE Wrote: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38462211/nba-trade-grades-2023-24-breaking-most-impactful-deals

ESPNs Kevin Pelton is not so high on our trades...

(02-09-2024, 08:30 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: After quick reading it feels like Wizards fans (while happy with the pick) are much more bummed than Hornet fans.  It will be interesting to watch Washington’s  game.  Would it be safe to assume to hope his game mimics what Gordon does for Denver?  Is that even in the ballpark?  I think Gordon is better but would love to see Washington play that style of game

(02-09-2024, 09:21 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think, if they decide to, PJ and 1 or 2 of those FRPs we have available (assuming PJ doesn’t pull a GWill here) will be just fine compensation for Jerami Grant. If he keeps his 40% catch n shoot number here, his 3% will go up. If he stops most of his other 3 shooting his 3% will sky rocket. Time will tell. We do know he didn’t want to be in Cha this season.

(02-09-2024, 08:50 AM)omahen Wrote: Mavs have 2 FRP, pick swap and hope of young players having value moving forward. So far only Green is really justifying that hope. 

(02-09-2024, 09:42 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I'd say Dereck Lively is doing fairly well in justifying the hope, if he can just get a less prominent nose.

(02-09-2024, 09:42 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I'd say Dereck Lively is doing fairly well in justifying the hope, if he can just get a less prominent nose.

(02-09-2024, 08:50 AM)omahen Wrote: The idea of a player PJ could be would be worth a 2027 pick. The reality of PJ Washington is worth far less. I don't get how people can celebrate the idea before seeing on court results. Mavs made a huge gamble.

If everything goes well, all those unprotected firsts and swaps will not matter. But there are huge risks things will not work and Mavs will need a long time to get back to relevance, if things don't work out as planned. Phoenix traded their future for Durant and Beal. Mavs traded half of their future for GWill, PJ and Gafford. I appreciate the all in approach, no other choice if you want to contend. But the gamble is huge.

Mavs have 2 FRP, pick swap and hope of young players having value moving forward. So far only Green is really justifying that hope. They will need to replace Kyrie in a couple of years.

(02-08-2024, 07:37 PM)F Gump Wrote: No idea if the Mavs will get him, but the addition of SD in 2022 made a huge difference, because it added another significant ball-handler who can attack, and score. That let them play Luka and Brunson together, and as many minutes as each could handle, with another player who can do some of those things waiting to give them a rest. And at times the Mavs would really push the envelope and play all 3 together. (With plenty of rim-running bigs who can DEFEND, I wonder what that sort of attack would create now? Just thinking.)

In theory Kyrie is now in the Brunson role, and Exum is the 3rd guy. But you really need another guy because of injuries. SD can be that guy. And he already knows that role very well.

(02-09-2024, 09:42 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I'd say Dereck Lively is doing fairly well in justifying the hope, if he can just get a less prominent nose.

(02-09-2024, 08:50 AM)omahen Wrote: The idea of a player PJ could be would be worth a 2027 pick. The reality of PJ Washington is worth far less. I don't get how people can celebrate the idea before seeing on court results. Mavs made a huge gamble.

If everything goes well, all those unprotected firsts and swaps will not matter. But there are huge risks things will not work and Mavs will need a long time to get back to relevance, if things don't work out as planned. Phoenix traded their future for Durant and Beal. Mavs traded half of their future for GWill, PJ and Gafford. I appreciate the all in approach, no other choice if you want to contend. But the gamble is huge.

Mavs have 2 FRP, pick swap and hope of young players having value moving forward. So far only Green is really justifying that hope. They will need to replace Kyrie in a couple of years.

(02-09-2024, 10:42 AM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: I really loved the Gafford trade. I think we may be undervaluing him and this trade. He's a really good fit for our system and what we want our bigs to do. 

Some say he's a Lively clone, but he's actually much better than Lively right now.  And i'm a huge Lively fan. This gives us a full game of Lively level play and better honestly with what Gafford can provide.

This is huge because of the injury questions surrounding Livley, but also him being a 19 year old rookie who does struggle with foul issues. That wont be an issue with Gafford replacing him each night.

I have my reservations about the P.J. Washington trade.  I want to wait and see what he looks like on a winning team, with 2 all-time greats like Luka/Kyrie. Bottom line, he's an upgrade to Grant Wiliams. That was a terrible trade from the beginning and he needed to go.

Sign me up for Dinwiddie coming back. We need that 3rd ball handler and also injury insurance for Luka/Kyrie. He would really round out this team. We'd be as deep as we've ever been.

But if Diwnwiddie goes to L.A. or somewhere else. What about Marcus Morris? I know we hate him for the crap he did to Luka, but he still has some game. He's much better than our Morris twin we currently have.

(02-09-2024, 08:30 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: After quick reading it feels like Wizards fans (while happy with the pick) are much more bummed than Hornet fans.  It will be interesting to watch Washington’s  game.  Would it be safe to assume to hope his game mimics what Gordon does for Denver?  Is that even in the ballpark?  I think Gordon is better but would love to see Washington play that style of game

(02-09-2024, 08:04 AM)Smitty Wrote: This is wrong. I won't go into what obtaining Grant Williams 'cost' to acquire, because that has nothing to do with what PJW cost. --The sunk cost fallacy.

You said "PJW isn't worth a top-2 protected FRP" and that you would have liked the deal, "had we obtained him for our two SRP's".


To be clear; this was the trade:

Mavs: PJW, 2 SRP's

CHA: Gwill, Curry, '27 FRP (DAL - Top 2 Protected)


Maybe you believe that Grant Williams is a good player, on a positive contract, and that Luka and others wanted him to stay. Even if that's the case, obtaining PJW didn't cost a top-2 protected FRP. He cost exactly what the trade above illustrates.

Edit: The Dallas Mavericks were 'determined' to part ways with Grant Williams after he 'rubbed a lot of people the wrong way,' per @espn_macmahon

ICYMI: Part of the P.J. Washington trade for the Dallas Mavericks was about moving on from Grant Williams — a player and personality that didn't fit.

"Williams' personality had worn on the Mavs' locker room in recent months."