(02-07-2024, 07:38 AM)Okstate819 Wrote: THJ is the obvious odd man out. I wonder if the simplest trade is THJ and 27 1st for PJ? He really would be a great fit and although giving up 27 hurts it’s better than 27 +omax that it would take to get Kuzma.

(02-07-2024, 07:48 AM)Okstate819 Wrote: THJ is not a better player than PJ Washington. Not in any way shape or form. Now factor in this teams need for a versatile 2 way 4 with a 7’2 wingspan and that swap is a no brainer. Also PJ is on a fantastic contract. You certainly would have to add some asset to entice Cha.

(02-07-2024, 07:48 AM)Okstate819 Wrote: THJ is not a better player than PJ Washington. Not in any way shape or form. Now factor in this teams need for a versatile 2 way 4 with a 7’2 wingspan and that swap is a no brainer. Also PJ is on a fantastic contract. You certainly would have to add some asset to entice Cha.

(02-07-2024, 08:55 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Hardaway hasn't come close to sniffing the closing lineups either of the last two nights.  He did another 'Hardaway waive' from near the paint midway through the 4th not making any real effort to anticipate a pass or close out.  A minute later he missed a 3 and was done with six minutes left.  The night before Kidd sat him the final 9 minutes.  When Kyrie and Luka are healthy, he's not critical to anything we do.  Yes, he can provide some offense when one of them is sitting, but he's certainly not irreplaceable in terms of what he brings to the table.  

I suspect Charlotte knows the request to include Green (who would need to be paired with Holmes or Williams) is not realistic.  It may just be a negotiating tactic because Dallas isn't budging on what it will offer in terms of the pick.  I don't think THJ for PJ is worth an unprotected pick.  But Dallas is the one asking and THJ doesn't exactly solve any of Charlotte's problems.  So, I suspect it takes some version of the 2027 pick...just not the version Dallas is offering.  So, Dallas tells the world it has other PF options and Charlotte tells the world it takes Green.

Part of the issue with Dallas is the beauty of 2027 is the chance Luka and Kyrie are gone by then.  Dallas can't roll the pick over to a 2028 first and only has a 2028 2nd to convey if a protected 2027 isn't traded.  I see a couple of options:

1.  Make this a swap where Dallas gets the worst of Charlotte's 2027, the 2027 owed by Miami or the Dallas pick.  

2.  Swap a lightly protected Dallas 2027 but get back the second rounder Charlotte is owed by either Portland or NO.  That way if the Dallas pick doesn't convey, it can be backed up by 2 seconds, one in 2027 and one in 2028.

(02-07-2024, 09:51 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Looking at the last few deadlines the Mavs moves came out of nowhere. A player that fits into a similar role as PJ or Kuzma but hasn't been mentioned in trade rumors. Maybe Patrick Williams?

(02-07-2024, 10:06 AM)omahen Wrote: I don't think Williams is a good target. He will be looking at a relatively big contract (especially if he plays well) and Mavs already have high salaries. If I would be looking for patterns - last year Stein said several times Mavs have no interest in Kyrie.

This year everyone is downplaying Grant. Portland has same situation with Brogdon, downplaying the availability. Makes little sense to keep this vets, because Portland is really bad. They should be developing young guys. Unless of course the offers they are receiving are total trash.

(02-07-2024, 10:12 AM)Smitty Wrote: I’m guessing a Grant trade probably includes THJ, Green, Omax and ‘27FRP.

(02-07-2024, 10:06 AM)omahen Wrote: I don't think Williams is a good target. He will be looking at a relatively big contract (especially if he plays well) and Mavs already have high salaries. If I would be looking for patterns - last year Stein said several times Mavs have no interest in Kyrie.

This year everyone is downplaying Grant. Portland has same situation with Brogdon, downplaying the availability. Makes little sense to keep this vets, because Portland is really bad. They should be developing young guys. Unless of course the offers they are receiving are total trash.

(02-07-2024, 10:17 AM)omahen Wrote: I would hope Green is not in it and rather replace the offer with GW and a pick swap. Otherwise I am a big fan of Grant

(02-07-2024, 10:12 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: Marcus Morris. Batum.

(02-07-2024, 10:20 AM)Smitty Wrote: As would I. But I don’t see why POR does it.

(02-07-2024, 10:22 AM)omahen Wrote: Unprotected pick, pick swap and a young player is not nothing. Can they get more for Grant in the summer or later? Perhaps or even probably. But, there is also possibility they get less (injury,...).

(02-07-2024, 10:20 AM)Smitty Wrote: As would I. But I don’t see why POR does it.

(02-07-2024, 10:25 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Portland is loaded at guard.  I don't think Green or Hardy does much for them.  OMax and 2027 (probably unprotected) and maybe a swap of 26 or 28 is a huge package.

Could we swap Holmes for RWIII while we are at it?

(02-07-2024, 09:34 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: I'll take PJ Washington over THJ and not think twice about it.

(02-07-2024, 09:10 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: THJ is a much better offensive player than PJ Washington.  In all ways, shapes and forms.  His ability to hit a good percentage of his 3s on high volume is literally the most important skill a player can have playing off of Luka and Kyrie.  

He's the favorite for 6th man of the year because he is a really good offensive player who can carry us when either Kyrie or Luka is out or has a bad game.  

THJ is a bad defensive player.  Probably the worst in our rotation.  He draws the occasional charge but otherwise his defense is a liability.  PJ Washington is a below-average defensive player but he is better than THJ.

PJ Washington will make $15.5 million next season.  He's a backup on one of the league's worst teams.  He's a net negative on both offense and defense on EPM.  I don't see that as a good contract.

PJ Washington is better than Grant Williams.  If that's the trade, that's cool. 

THJ is better than PJ Washington though.  The message board groupthink here is just so strong that you think otherwise.