(01-31-2024, 10:44 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: WIGGINS + KUZMA --> DAL

(01-31-2024, 06:50 PM)MFFL Wrote: I appreciate the thought that went into this deal but I really really hate it.

(01-31-2024, 01:52 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: An unvarnished review of our young players before we get to Kuzma's cost.

Green has been up and down but at this point he's more Payton Pritchard than Andre Iguodala. I wouldn't be shocked to see him blossom elsewhere. That often happens with a change of scenery after 4 years. But he's not some untouchable gem. He's an aggressive point-of-attack defender who makes mistakes in defensive rotations and gets lost. I love his speed and athleticism though.

Hardy has been lost for most of the year as he's tried to grow as a playmaker. He's done less in his career than Bones Hyland has, and Bones is out of the rotation and on the trading block himself. There's upside with Hardy, for sure. But he's a prospect, not Tyrese Maxey.

OMAX is a giraffe on roller skates. I love the kid and wish him the best but based on what we've seen so far, he's the definition of a D-League prospect. I'm certainly not willing to sacrifice an MVP-caliber season from Luka just in case OMAX turns into something in 3-4 years.

As state above, the deal I like is THJ to IND, for expiring Hield plus Curry and a late Dallas 1st to WAS, for Kuzma to DAL. If push comes to shove I'd part with one of our prospects without too much concern.

Expiring + RJ Hamption + late 1st = Gordon

Expiring + prospect + Late 1st = Kuzma

(01-31-2024, 10:40 PM)Smitty Wrote: THJ & Grant for Dinwiddie & O’Neal solves so many problems. 

The Mavs need a bench ball-handler, someone that can dribble penetrate, create, finish at the rim. Not just catch and shoot like Timmy and the other 5 rotation players. 

Grant Williams addition by subtraction would be beneficial on its own but getting an actual perimeter defender that can knock down an open shot like O’Neal is even better.

Now is the time to get out of the remaining $41M Grant is owed.

Holmes should be the backup big.

Omax belongs in the rotation.

Luka - Dinwiddie
Kai - Exum
O’Neal - Green
DJJ - Omax
Lively - Holmes

(02-01-2024, 12:17 AM)The Jom Wrote: Seeing trade proposals for Royce O’Neil makes me reconsider hating on a Wiggins deal. What has RO ever done to be worthy of a trade asset? Are you fellas just Baylor fans or what?

(01-31-2024, 11:30 PM)mvossman Wrote: I mean sure, but why do Nets do it?  It always makes sense to send out players for better players on better contracts

(02-01-2024, 08:37 AM)Smitty Wrote: I continue to answer this question. I guess my reasoning isn’t all that good.

Nets do it because they like THJ. lol

Diniwiddie has reportedly quit on the team so he’s definitely on the move. THJ is a suitable replacement and can be used next year as an expiring to help move the needle for the Nets.

It’s difficult to come up with a reason they take Grant, I guess I can repeat the arguments that others use against me in Grant debates - That he’s still a plus defender, great shooter for his career, does it in the playoffs, still young and only making measly MLE money. *eyeroll*

Hopefully some in the Nets FO believe the same thing so many argumentative Mavs fans do about Gwill.

O’Neal isn’t some great prize but the report is that the Nets want up to two SRP’s. I think replacing THJ and Grant with Dinwiddie and O’Neal on its own makes this team much better. The fact that it gets you off ~$57M is even better. Mavs could have an advantage with the added flexibility, especially with the new CBA changes.

I think it’s worth up to 2 SRP’s to make the move. Nets still might not consider it.

What’s that say about Timmy (6MOY) and Grant (prized FA/SnT this summer)

(02-01-2024, 09:19 AM)omahen Wrote: I think this move wouldn't make us good enough to contend.

(02-01-2024, 12:17 AM)The Jom Wrote: What has RO ever done to be worthy of a trade asset? Are you fellas just Baylor fans or what?

(02-01-2024, 10:09 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: When Wiggins was at his best he was billed as the 4th option behind Steph, Klay, and Draymond running the show. He wasn't in the spotlight and the value he brought as a rugged defender with size, athleticism, and tremendous talent really shined. He took advantage of mismatches and was a beast in the post and midrange. He made open shots and took the defensive challenge.

It's much different now. Steph is still Steph but Klay hasn't been consistent and he's lost a step on defense. Draymond has been in/out. And they're playing a bunch of young players, including Kuminga, who is splitting minutes with Wiggins, and has made it known publicly, he doesn't think Steve Kerr is using him right, and may be asking for more minutes or to be traded. Kuminga certainly wants a bag.

Now you have weird dynamics in GSW and it's not all about winning or sending the Big-3 off with one last great run. It's also about minutes,  shots, roles, and which play-style is best for this person's game versus that person's game. And now there's a giant spotlight on Wiggins. He was arguably the reason GSW won the title. He was the second best player and an awesome weapon in the post, midrange, fast break, three. He dominated - DOMINATED - the Mavs. Why can't he just play like that? What's wrong with Wiggins? Why did he miss that much time after his dad passed away? Is his head right? Does he even like basketball? Is he still hurt from fracturing his ribs? Is he tough enough? Oh we've seen this before. Wiggins sucks. He's lost it. Play Kuminga. Kuminga is the future. And on and on.

Look, I have no idea what's really going on behind the scenes in Golden State or what's in Wiggins' head. But here's a player who checks every box for an NBA wing and the Mavs desperately need to add size and physicality. If Dallas also adds Kuzma to replace THJ's scoring Wiggins would slot as the 4th option in an offense that could go 4 on 3 with Kyrie, Lively, Kuzma and Wiggins. That's a massive improvement over the current situation, where teams just load up on Kyrie and leave the wings unguarded. It's easy for defenses to live with the results when you have a collection of guys who don't consistently make open threes and Williams who can't finish at the rim.

(02-01-2024, 10:54 AM)Donis Wrote: I was wondering how many of you woud give a go for this trade, if  no is it only because of moral part of it, or you dont like it at all? The base of the trade looking Like this
https://fanspo.com/nba/trades/zT77Q6AcUrXiD7

(01-31-2024, 05:24 PM)JamesConway912 Wrote: GS has a problem with their payroll so it makes sense for them to move on from
Wiggins and gain flexibility.

But in regards to Maxi. He’s done as a dependable rotation player in this league. He has played only 32 games last year, will play even fewer games this season and had a complete breakdown in production so far  this season whenever he stepped on the court (bad defense, 3ppg on offense, terrible shooting) while getting up there in age.

But I get, he’s the last german player from that one city in Unterfranken so the thought of moving on from him sucks.

(02-01-2024, 11:06 AM)omahen Wrote: I will not go into the moral part of it, it has been discuss ad nauseam here. I will just assume Mavs are interested in him.

I think the trade is constructed well for the Orlando part, if they like THJ. There could be other guard alternatives available for them and no idea which they would prefer - Brogdon, Bogi (Atlanta), Fournier, Clarkson are just some of the examples. Also I didn't really see any signals how much 2024 cap space is important for them. They lose most of it doing this trade.

I think Charlotte is receiving huge overpay for PJ and Bridges. There is no realistic way Mavs could resign him in the summer. Bridges and Washington also basically overlap on the position. Its likely one of them would not be happy with the trade and role. 

I would like the trade if the 2024 pick is coming to Mavs instead of Charlotte. Lightly protected 2027 is likely worth more than Orlando 2024 pick, which might be outside of lottery. We could also make it lottery protected instead of just top5 protected. I could get behind such a trade despite Mavs losing the ability to trade three picks in the summer.