(01-31-2024, 03:15 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: We get A first round picks with Wiggins? Yeah I probably take Wiggins with compensation.

(01-31-2024, 03:39 PM)mvossman Wrote: The crazy thing is you could still lose that trade, especially if its protected.  Folks are questioning the 25 mil we ate with the Holmes contract for a first round pick.  Wiggins is over 100 mil.  If he continues to play like he has most of this season, you still come out way behind.

(01-31-2024, 03:39 PM)mvossman Wrote: The crazy thing is you could still lose that trade, especially if its protected.  Folks are questioning the 25 mil we ate with the Holmes contract for a first round pick.  Wiggins is over 100 mil.  If he continues to play like he has most of this season, you still come out way behind.

(01-31-2024, 03:41 PM)Smitty Wrote: It’s crazy to me that people don’t see this. His contract is one of the worst, if not the worst, in the league. Every dollar matters in this new NBA.

(01-31-2024, 04:11 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Wiggins makes $3M annually more than Holmes/Kleber this and next season. Then it´s $28M and $30M (a player option), which will likely be anywhere from the 60th to 90th highest paid player by the time (50th right now), so 3rd best player on a team territory. In this proposed trade he´s actually the best contract and we get a first. I really don´t understand what you people expect? That we get Jaylen Brown for Holmes/Kleber?

(01-31-2024, 04:30 PM)Smitty Wrote: You are not getting a FRP from GS to take Wiggins. Anyone that thinks so, is delusional. I mean no disrespect. In this hypothetical it’s also unlikely that Holmes & Kleber would be the trade for Wiggins. GS doesn’t want a bad player (Holmes) and bad money (Kleber). Sure, they want to rid themselves of Wiggins (rightfully so), but I think it’s highly unlikely that they would do so, while keeping themselves in the same financial position this year and next. 

As for Wiggins in general. He’s terrible. I won’t dive into all the stats because it’s not really necessary. He’s bad at basketball and will get paid 100M to play it.

(01-31-2024, 04:30 PM)Smitty Wrote: You are not getting a FRP from GS to take Wiggins. Anyone that thinks so, is delusional. I mean no disrespect. In this hypothetical it’s also unlikely that Holmes & Kleber would be the trade for Wiggins. GS doesn’t want a bad player (Holmes) and bad money (Kleber). Sure, they want to rid themselves of Wiggins (rightfully so), but I think it’s highly unlikely that they would do so, while keeping themselves in the same financial position this year and next. 

As for Wiggins in general. He’s terrible. I won’t dive into all the stats because it’s not really necessary. He’s bad at basketball and will get paid 100M to play it.

(01-31-2024, 05:00 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: It was a very specific trade and it was discussed. You can´t just change the trade details in your head and then argue it´s a sh*t trade. Besides it still not being a sh*t trade, if it is Holmes/Kleber for Wiggins. I don´t believe the Warriors would do the trade either. Why though is it a bad trade for us, if you think the Warriors would be the team to decline the deal. If we win the trade, we are better off.

Also they want to trade Wiggins, cause of their overall cap situation and future flexibility, not because the contract is that horrific by itself.

(01-31-2024, 04:09 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Also the Warriors have Kevon Looney. I wonder if he could be added. He'd be a fantastic backup. Probably in lieu of a pick.

Would that be more appetizing?

(01-31-2024, 05:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'll admit it: I'd rather have Kleber than Wiggins.



Seems like the Warriors fan who proposed that would, too. Something to pause and think about, imo.

(01-31-2024, 05:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'll admit it: I'd rather have Kleber than Wiggins.



Seems like the Warriors fan who proposed that would, too. Something to pause and think about, imo.

(01-31-2024, 05:13 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: Maxi is so overrated on this board, it's ridiculous. The guy is washed and doesn't do jack shit now.

(01-31-2024, 05:00 PM)JamesConway912 Wrote: For some folks around here it truly only matters what a player has done over the last few weeks when it comes to talent evaluations, doesn’t it? 

You’ll never be able to make a an anticyclical but right decision by applying that logic though. Player evaluation is a lot more nuanced than that as there are constantly players available needing a change of scenery around the league. 

It’s not like DAL hasn’t made their fair share of moves like that in the past. For instance Dinwiddie was TERRIBLE im Washington but very impactful for us. Why? Because he was a perfect match here for our style of play and for the role we envisioned for him. It’s not crazy talk to see the upside with Wiggins either.

Also some context on Wiggins:

- Yes Wiggins has been terrible so far this season 

- Yes right now his production isn’t worth his salary

but

- he also had a HUGE injury just half a year ago (rib fracture)

- he didn’t have a real training camp due to his injury 

- he is slowly getting better (DanS posted his latest stats)

- & most importantly he’s been a very impactful player in the past on the biggest stage in basically exactly the role we need 

You’re probably not getting a 1st for taking him but he’s far from an albatross contract if he just somewhat finds his groove again.

Look I don’t have to convince anybody around here about anything so I’m done with discussing the Wiggins idea but I would not be surprised to see his name pop up again around here once he has stringed together 2-4 weeks of adequate play. Big picture wise a two way wing who has produced like him just makes too much sense on our squad.

(01-31-2024, 05:13 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: Maxi is so overrated on this board, it's ridiculous. The guy is washed and doesn't do jack shit now.

(01-31-2024, 05:22 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Also something to think about is the fact that Maxi is 32 years old, chronically injured since he´s 18. 

Currently 

averaging 4/3/2 (rounding up graciously) in 19 MPG
shooting 34/26/66
on/off overall is minus 8.2 (mostly against back-ups). 
on/off defensively is minus 5.6.

26.5 for 2.5 years left.
 
So if you are argue as a prisoner of the moment for Wiggins´s performance level, then Maxi´s career/contract is on death row right now. Currently he´s not even worth 1.1M let alone 11M per year.

(01-31-2024, 05:53 PM)mvossman Wrote: Wiggins…has a long history of being a bad basketball player while making a ton of money.  Two good years at Golden State does not completely wash that away.