(01-30-2024, 12:29 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't think you guys saw the screenshot I posted of Murray's leaked DM's with a fan where he complains about not being the primary playmaker, playing without rhythm, and relegated to a spot up position. None of that will be alleviated here. In fact I think it'd probably be worse.

Kyrie Irving is a better player right now than Murray, health issues aside. And the most underrated aspect is that he accepts his role as being the number 2 guy. That's hard to find in a guy with his talent level.

Is Kyrie the best most ideal fit? No. But he does fit. Like KL said, he fits better than KP and the vision is there. I'm not motivated trading Kyrie away unless it brings back a star of equal value that fits. Like Mikal Bridges, Lauri Markkannen, Donovan Mitchell. These type of dudes.

(01-30-2024, 12:29 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't think you guys saw the screenshot I posted of Murray's leaked DM's with a fan where he complains about not being the primary playmaker, playing without rhythm, and relegated to a spot up position. None of that will be alleviated here. In fact I think it'd probably be worse.

Kyrie Irving is a better player right now than Murray, health issues aside. And the most underrated aspect is that he accepts his role as being the number 2 guy. That's hard to find in a guy with his talent level.

Is Kyrie the best most ideal fit? No. But he does fit. Like KL said, he fits better than KP and the vision is there. I'm not motivated trading Kyrie away unless it brings back a star of equal value that fits. Like Mikal Bridges, Lauri Markkannen, Donovan Mitchell. These type of dudes.

(01-30-2024, 12:33 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: 45/46 games from Murray or 27/47 games from Kyrie. Who is providing more value? Kyrie's issue is health/durability.

(01-30-2024, 12:35 PM)youzigizag Wrote: Wasnt Murray playing excellent defense the other night?  Especially late game?

I guess excellent is subjective.  But he sure looked like he was trying and making things frustrating for Luka a few times.  Enough for Luka to shake his head at the dude in a "Whatever.  Youre not better than me even though you just D'd me up well" kinda way.

The hate Ky Irving gets when the dude has always seemed to accept being 2nd fiddle(on like 3 teams at least) when he is a #1 on most teams...it doesnt make sense.  He seems like a good teammate to me...on the court and off.

(01-30-2024, 12:14 PM)mvossman Wrote: What are your thoughts on the suggested 3 way a few weeks ago where Kyrie goes to LA and Murray comes here?  He is not as good as Kyrie, but he is younger, healthier, and has a history of playing defense before Atlanta.  That would allow us more patience in the team building process.

(01-30-2024, 12:42 PM)omahen Wrote: I think Murray is a very good player and could fit next to Luka. However, a couple of things about that. 

I think Kyrie is a better player and Mavs should be compensated in addition to just getting Murray. But, LA doesn't have the assets to get Murray on his own. Perhaps in the summer, when they can offer 2 picks (2029 and 2031).

Murrays rumored biggest issue in Atlanta was that he wasn't the PG. He would have same problem in Dallas.

(01-30-2024, 12:29 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't think you guys saw the screenshot I posted of Murray's leaked DM's with a fan where he complains about not being the primary playmaker, playing without rhythm, and relegated to a spot up position. None of that will be alleviated here. In fact I think it'd probably be worse. 

(01-30-2024, 12:42 PM)omahen Wrote: Murrays rumored biggest issue in Atlanta was that he wasn't the PG. He would have same problem in Dallas.

(01-30-2024, 12:51 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: The Mavs will be forced to do something at some point if Kyrie continues to play 55 games a season. Luka will be washed by 30 at this rate. He has to do WAY too much every single game.

(01-30-2024, 12:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't know...I'm pretty confident they KNEW he was going to play 55 games per when they made the trade. If not, they should have. Again, he hasn't put in a full season of work for 6-7 years.

(01-30-2024, 12:35 PM)youzigizag Wrote: Wasnt Murray playing excellent defense the other night?  Especially late game?

I guess excellent is subjective.  But he sure looked like he was trying and making things frustrating for Luka a few times.  Enough for Luka to shake his head at the dude in a "Whatever.  Youre not better than me even though you just D'd me up well" kinda way.

The hate Ky Irving gets when the dude has always seemed to accept being 2nd fiddle(on like 3 teams at least) when he is a #1 on most teams...it doesnt make sense.  He seems like a good teammate to me...on the court and off.

(01-30-2024, 12:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't know...I'm pretty confident they KNEW he was going to play 55 games per when they made the trade. If not, they should have. Again, he hasn't put in a full season of work for 6-7 years.

(01-30-2024, 12:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't know...I'm pretty confident they KNEW he was going to play 55 games per when they made the trade. If not, they should have. Again, he hasn't put in a full season of work for 6-7 years.

(01-30-2024, 01:01 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: In my opinion, "fit" trumps "talent".  I'd much rather have 55 games of Kyrie than 75 of Murray, even if we somehow decided that they had equal talent.

Kyrie is a great fit, both on the court and off.  He's been hurt, so less available, perhaps, but any player can get hurt.  Lots of Mavs have missed lots of games this season.  And I'd argue that a lot of his recent unavailability (Brooklyn) didn't have anything to do with being hurt, so can't really be used to project forward.

KP was hurt a lot, also, but when healthy, he just wasn't a great fit.

(01-30-2024, 12:48 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:

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This is the end of it, for me. No interest in players with any chance to be a poor fit with Luka. Can't afford to get even one more big deal wrong, at this point.