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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - KillerLeft - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 04:48 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: to bring things back to where we started, I think it argues that there might be a role here for Hardy (once THJ has been moved) after all. Just a reminder that THIS is the point I originally tried to make that got this drunken bar fight rolling. I don't expect Hardaway to be here very much longer. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - Smitty - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Just a reminder that THIS is the point I originally tried to make that got this drunken bar fight rolling. For me, that thinks Tim is bad for this team, Hardy is even worse. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - KillerLeft - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:23 PM)Smitty Wrote: For me, that thinks Tim is bad for this team, Hardy is even worse. Then friend, you should be praying that Hardaway makes it past the TDL. I'm ready for the team get younger, as I have been since the summer. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - Smitty - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Then friend, you should be praying that Hardaway makes it past the TDL. I would trade Hardy for a player like Grimes in a heartbeat. A young defender that can also shoot at a high percentage is what this team needs. Not a terrible defender and a poor shooter. I would trade THJ for a player like PJ Washington in a heartbeat. A poor defender, but better than Tim, who can score in multiple ways and has more size. I will pray that THJ doesn’t make it past the TDL and that Hardy isn’t the direct replacement for scoring. There’s more than one way to rid yourself of THJ and Hardy not be the replacement. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - KillerLeft - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:32 PM)Smitty Wrote: I would trade Hardy for a player like Grimes in a heartbeat. A young defender that can also shoot at a high percentage is what this team needs. Not a terrible defender and a poor shooter. Yeah, in multiple deals, sure. Do you expect multiple deals?? They are going to play a SG, however. I think you're headed towards disappointment, either way. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - Smitty - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, in multiple deals, sure. Do you expect multiple deals?? Sure, I expect to be disappointed. Trades take two sides and they aren’t easy. Doesn’t mean I have to pray that THJ makes it past the TDL. I’d rather hope for more than settle for the inevitable. That’s part of being a fan of the Mavs, unfortunately. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - KillerLeft - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:39 PM)Smitty Wrote: Doesn’t mean I have to pray that THJ makes it past the TDL. I’d rather hope for more than settle for the inevitable. That’s part of being a fan of the Mavs, unfortunately. Wow, why so serious? You don't HAVE to do anything. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - Smitty - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Wow, why so serious? It was in response to you saying I should pray Tim makes it past the TDL. I’m not being all too serious. I’m contributing to the board, with ways that I think this team can get better. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: GSW to take calls on Wiggins, CP3, Klay| Kuzma and Mavs interest? - mvossman - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 04:49 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: My 2-cents on the great THJ debate of 2024. It kind of reminds me of the Wood discussion last season…including the outsized emotion. Wood is an obviously talented offensive player that can’t find a home or any money, yet people here lost their minds when you suggested the obvious. My problem with this argument is that you are only looking at a half season of sample for very noisy stats. What was his DEPM, defensive rating and defensive on/off last year? They paint a completely different picture. He is not a good defender. A lot of players on this team are not good defenders. His defensive advanced stats look wildly worse this half season than they have in the past due to bad lineup construction and noise. If you make roster decisions based on a couple of months of very noise data, your going to be hopping all over the place. And this is very different than the Wood debate. A big part of that debate was maturity and locker room issues. There is no hint of that here. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - mvossman - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:32 PM)Smitty Wrote: I would trade Hardy for a player like Grimes in a heartbeat. A young defender that can also shoot at a high percentage is what this team needs. Not a terrible defender and a poor shooter. I'm sure you would trade Hardy for Grimes, but no chance that gets it done. Timmy for PJ makes some sense. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - omahen - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, in multiple deals, sure. Do you expect multiple deals?? Exum and Green will play SG. I think minutes will be very limited for Curry or Hardy, if THJ is replaced by offensively capable PF. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: GSW to take calls on Wiggins, CP3, Klay| Kuzma and Mavs interest? - Scott41theMavs - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:46 PM)mvossman Wrote: My problem with this argument is that you are only looking at a half season of sample for very noisy stats. What was his DEPM, defensive rating and defensive on/off last year? They paint a completely different picture. He is not a good defender. A lot of players on this team are not good defenders. His defensive advanced stats look wildly worse this half season than they have in the past due to bad lineup construction and noise. If you make roster decisions based on a couple of months of very noise data, your going to be hopping all over the place. I dunno, refusing to pass the ball when common basketball sense would dictate it seems pretty immature to me, and would likely leave me disgruntled after each game if I were his teammate. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - KillerLeft - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:43 PM)Smitty Wrote: It was in response to you saying I should pray Tim makes it past the TDL. I’m not being all too serious. I’m contributing to the board, with ways that I think this team can get better. Um, sure…ok. I’m not sure our tones are matching up here. No worries. Carry on. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - KillerLeft - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:53 PM)omahen Wrote: Exum and Green will play SG. I think minutes will be very limited for Curry or Hardy, if THJ is replaced by offensively capable PF. I suppose it depends a little on the incoming player(s), but I don’t agree that’s likely. We’ll see if/when it happens. (01-29-2024, 05:58 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I dunno, refusing to pass the ball when common basketball sense would dictate it seems pretty immature to me, and would likely leave me disgruntled after each game if I were his teammate. And yet we never hear about anyone on the team being disgruntled. Only fans. I do not agree with your common sense comment. I think they want him to shoot, not pass, and I think the fact that they keep running them out there supports that. There are exceptions, of course. It’s not as if he can do no wrong. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - Scott41theMavs - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 06:08 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I suppose it depends a little on the incoming player(s), but I don’t agree that’s likely. We’ll see if/when it happens. I was being a little tongue-in-cheek. Remember TMOGE? I was channeling him. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: GSW to take calls on Wiggins, CP3, Klay| Kuzma and Mavs interest? - mvossman - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 05:58 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I dunno, refusing to pass the ball when common basketball sense would dictate it seems pretty immature to me, and would likely leave me disgruntled after each game if I were his teammate. Has there even been a hint of disgruntlement with teammates? I think this gets really overblown. Sometimes he takes shots when he shouldn't. Most guys do stuff they shouldn't on the court. Green doesn't pull the trigger when he should. Luka whines too much, Williams should probably never put the ball on the floor. You could probably go down the list of every player. He still shoots 37% on very high volume. There are way worse chuckers out there, and every advanced stat says he is a positive on offense (third on team unless you count one month of Exum ball). RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - KillerLeft - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 06:18 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Remember TMOGE? I was channeling him. I miss that guy…and so many others. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - Smitty - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 06:05 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Um, sure…ok. I’m not sure our tones are matching up here. No worries. Carry on. Apologies, I was responding from my phone and probably didn't make myself all that clear. I believe there are a number of ways to make this team better by the TDL. Health being number one but here are some trade ideas that I think are realistic. Notice all of them have THJ outgoing and all of them keep the Mavs under the tax line. Trade 1 THJ, Holmes, SRP Dinwiddie, O'Neal Both Dinwiddie and O'Neal are expiring so Mavs clear roughly 29M next year. Trade 2 THJ, Hardy Fournier, Grimes Fournier is basically an expiring this year so you get off of Tim's deal in the process. Trade 3 THJ, Curry, SRP PJ Wash, Richards Trade 4 THJ, SRP Wendell Carter Jr Trade 5 THJ, Gwill, Holmes, SRP Hayward, Bridges Mavs get off ~41M next year and have a chance to build a team around Luka. Trade 6 THJ, Curry, '27 FRP Gafford, Avdija In conclusion, any of these trades make the Mavs better this year and next, IMO. All of them account for THJ's scoring outgoing. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: WAS mandate to get more picks this TDL - KillerLeft - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 06:33 PM)Smitty Wrote: Apologies, I was responding from my phone and probably didn't make myself all that clear. I believe there are a number of ways to make this team better by the TDL. Health being number one but here are some trade ideas that I think are realistic. I like a lot of these ideas, and would pull the trigger on several of them. All I’m saying is that in most of those scenarios, I believe Hardy’s minutes would increase significantly. I do not agree with what is becoming consensus, that THJ’s presence on the roster is the only thing preventing them from playing a bunch of larger players who cannot shoot. Giving all of his minutes to Exum/Green seems good in some ways, but I just feel all of the long years of basketball I have experienced have taught me that when push comes to shove, they are going to play lineups full of people who can shoot. TL;DR: I just don’t think there are roles enough for DJJ, Williams AND mystery trade target PF. In particular, I have very little faith that Exum at the 2 and DJJ in the front court with another forward can work. To top all of that off, there are ton of people who think Kleber should be playing forward. I don’t agree, but there is some validity to that thinking, and that makes the scene even more crowded. If I’m trading for a 4, i’m doing everything humanly possible to get Grant Williams into that deal. That’s just the way it makes sense to me. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: GSW to take calls on Wiggins, CP3, Klay| Kuzma and Mavs interest? - Smitty - 01-29-2024 (01-29-2024, 06:44 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I like a lot of these ideas, and would pull the trigger on several of them. |