(01-29-2024, 12:10 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I feel like Hardaway gets treated around here like Jason Terry used to… interesting to me. Want to talk about a guy who didn’t play defense? Jason Terry didn’t play defense. Hardaway does. Compared to Terry, THJ is Tony Allen.

I think Terry was the better offensive player, but he wasn’t nearly as creative as Hardaway. It was always either a catch and shoot three (with less variation in the footwork than THJ), an off-the-dribble three (not as often as THJ, but it was a different era) or that relentless two-dribble pull-up jumper from mid-range (this was more lethal than anything Hardaway has).

I bring it up because I remember back then, for many years leading up to the title, Terry drew nothing but hate from the majority of Mavs fans. They wanted to trade him, too. He was in trade rumors a lot back then, too. The dude ended up being the second best player on the championship team. There are arguments to be made that other players contributed more, and honestly, they were all super important. I’m not trying to have a debate here. Nor am I trying to suggest that Hardaway is definitely headed towards that outcome, because I don’t think he is (again, I think he’s gone soon). I am just saying that five years of Terry hate went by and then, all of a sudden, he was the main ball-handling offensive player for a title team. The Mavs would not have a title  without him.

I just wish we weren’t so quick to hate these guys.

(01-28-2024, 02:12 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Malik Beasley signed for 1 year, $3 million. What’s the difference between him and THJ?

(01-28-2024, 09:43 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I do truly believe this.

We don't have to continue the conversation if you don't want to, that's totally fine. I'm entrenched in the idea that THJ is too hot and cold for this team to ever be truly competitive. We have evidence replacing THJ with someone who can handle the ball and facilitate while hitting 3s (Dinwiddie), catapulted that team from meh to great. I think Exum has shown he can replicate a lot of what we had with Dinwiddie. 

Let's just agree to disagree

(01-29-2024, 10:53 AM)Winter Wrote: Personally, I think Hardaway is a one-tool player who has to play too many minutes on this team. It's a problem with the roster and the depth. Hardaway should be averaging 20-25 minutes per game, but he's forced to play more almost every night. His decision making is atrocious at times, and it makes those longer minutes more difficult to swallow.

(01-29-2024, 11:56 AM)youzigizag Wrote: Did Tim come off as a ball hog in New York?

Asking genuinely.

(01-29-2024, 09:21 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I am so sorry for you, SH, that the team you follow has time and again prominently utilized a player in their attack who you despise this much. Truly, I sympathize. It must be hell.

If I felt that strongly that the team was hurting themselves by featuring a player when they’d be better off simply waiving him… I don’t know, man. I think I would follow a different team. I will probably do that myself if Kidd doesn’t get the axe pretty soon, but I don’t think he has much more than a season in him. I think this time next year it will be obvious that he is on the way out.

What’s kind of funny is that if Dan is correct and Hardy is about to be traded, I think there is an outside chance that Hardaway outlives Kidd here. I don’t think he will, but it’s funny to think about, especially in the context of this board’s temperature.

(01-29-2024, 11:49 AM)mvossman Wrote: I find it a little ironic that your argument is that Timmy is too streaky when his replacement (with a career 33% from 3) went on a crazy hot streak shooting 41% during that 30 game run.  The reality is that Timmy is probably not any more streaky than any other high volume 3 point shooter, that he provides value as a floor stretcher even when he is missing shots, and there was a whole lot of things going on the year of the WCF run that had nothing to do with Timmy.  Its too early to claim that Exum can be what we had with a hot Dinwiddie.  We have like one month of sample size on that.

(01-29-2024, 12:35 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I've followed the Mavs my entire life and I'm not going to stop now because they've featured a losing player for 5 1/2 years and I find it pretty offending you would even suggest that to me. 

(01-29-2024, 10:15 AM)Smitty Wrote: Hardaway has single-handedly won a game or two in the last few weeks. When he’s hot, he is fun to watch. He’s probably single-handedly lost as many games in that same stretch. If he’s outgoing in a trade his role will need to be replaced because Hardy/Curry aren’t capable of coming close to THJ’s “best” and are consistently near his “worst”.

My preference is a more consistent player. Even less ppg - but someone who isn’t the reason you lose. The 3rd scorer needs to be a 2-way player. We have way too many 1-way players and it’s a recipe for disaster, which is part of the reason this team is so inconsistent.

I’m no fan of the off-court stuff but someone like Miles Bridges would be ideal imo.

(01-29-2024, 12:42 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Cool. So using that as a common inflection point, imagine how offensive it is for me, someone who has not only followed the team as long as you have, but who also LIKES the current team, to have read the same irrational scapegoating of a single player (a bench player now, even) over and over and over and over. 

You literally admitted that you believe simply removing Hardaway from the roster...doing NOTHING else...would IMPROVE the team. That's a joke. 

I LIKE the Mavericks. Can someone point me to the board where folks want to enjoy the team they follow?

(01-29-2024, 12:43 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: And you're 100% right. When THJ is going supernova he's fun to watch. When he's ice cold he is infuriating

Therein lies the issue with THJ and why I want off his wild ride. We need to build a consistent winner and THJ isn't consistent.

(01-29-2024, 10:15 AM)Smitty Wrote: Hardaway has single-handedly won a game or two in the last few weeks. When he’s hot, he is fun to watch. He’s probably single-handedly lost as many games in that same stretch. If he’s outgoing in a trade his role will need to be replaced because Hardy/Curry aren’t capable of coming close to THJ’s “best” and are consistently near his “worst”.

My preference is a more consistent player. Even less ppg - but someone who isn’t the reason you lose. The 3rd scorer needs to be a 2-way player. We have way too many 1-way players and it’s a recipe for disaster, which is part of the reason this team is so inconsistent.

(01-29-2024, 10:19 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: The JET convo was WAY different than the Hardaway conversation in my opinion.  The conversation around JET was always is he good enough to be the second best player next to Dirk although I acknowledge there was certainly a lot of hate thrown his way.  I also think you're doing him a great disservice saying he wasn't nearly as creative as Hardaway.  The guy was our starting PG the first year we went to the finals, just imagine asking Hardaway to fill in for any time at PG, it would be a complete disaster.

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I also find it odd that you always talk about having an offense where everyone touches the ball but continuingly defend the biggest ball stopper on the team.  Hardaway has his moments and I feel the skill set of taking and making contested shots is vital but he is easily the most selfish player on our team offensively, even when he doesn't have it going.  He wins us game but he also shoots us out of a lot of games because HE, NOT LUKA, plays too selfishly at times (now that definitely sounds like a JET conversation).

(01-29-2024, 01:05 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Evan Sidery (@esidery)
The Warriors plan to gauge the trade market for Andrew Wiggins and Chris Paul, per @ShamsCharania.

Klay Thompson is also a candidate for Golden State to openly take calls on to see what they could receive in a potential deal.T

(01-29-2024, 12:57 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: We should probably get rid of Luka, then.

73 one night, then 23 the next. Shot 8 of 13 from three, then 1 of 9 the next night.

Can’t win with that kind of inconsistency.