(01-24-2024, 01:35 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I'm pretty much all in on the idea of saving the first this year so in the summer we can go to war with 3 firsts as a package for a star.


Any incremental changes right now I don't think are worth a singular first. I like Deni. I like Gafford. I don't think either of them individually are worth a first, and certainly combined they aren't worth that imo.

(01-24-2024, 11:40 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: Jerami Grant is a poor rebounder.
Mavs would still bleed for rebounds with him, but... 

I would be okay giving up 2027 FRP IF:
GW and Holmes are packaged with the FRP.

But I'd try this first:
GW+Holmes+Hardy+2 2nds

I may be convinced to throw in THJ instead of GW or Holmes, but including THJ in the deal would make me pull-out the FRP (and I don't even like THJ).

(01-24-2024, 01:56 PM)Winter Wrote: See, this is what I want to know.

Who? Who are you pining for? Give me a name.

(01-24-2024, 02:20 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Mikal Bridges
Lauri Markkanen
Cam Johnson
Jaden McDaniels
Herb Jones
Zion (?) :throws_up:

(01-24-2024, 02:20 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42)
List of first/second apron teams

Golden State
LA Clippers
Boston
Phoenix
Milwaukee
Miami
Denver

These teams are not allowed to sign a player waived during the regular season that had a pre-existing salary of $12.4M+.

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Mikal Bridges
Lauri Markkanen
Cam Johnson
Jaden McDaniels
Herb Jones
Zion (?)


3s and 4s. 3 FRPs is a lot. Can pay 2 FRP for 1 guy, 1 for another. OR 3 unprotected for more top end talent.

(01-24-2024, 09:19 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: J. Grant has averaged a 77 and he's locked up for a lot more than $25mm/year.  Kuzma and PJ don't come close to this type of average EPM over the last four years.

(01-24-2024, 03:48 PM)chaparral Wrote: Saying the Mavs need to hold onto their few FRP's so they can trade 3 for a star player this summer - is the same thing as "Plan Powder".  Also, waiting around for someone to drop in their laps is not a plan.  Just face it, Cuban does not know how to build a contending team.  Can't believe the new owners fell for his BS.

Luka is in his 6th year, and we are going to be knocked out in the play-in round this year if we wait until this offseason.  We started 8 - 2 and since then we have gone 16 - 17.  There has been talk that we are better than last season.  But we have the same record as last season after 43 games as this year 24 - 19.  New faces yes, some good some not so much.

The team added a new FO peace this past offseason in Dennis Lindsy and had one of their best drafts in ages.  Let's see what he can do this TDL.  If we stand pat this TDL - the NYK will be receiving a high lottery pick this summer.

Someone already used the Bally commercial line "that's crazy talk".  Not letting Lindsy use all resources this TDL is in fact Crazy Talk.

PS: this could also fall under F Gump's "I'm out this season" thread.

(01-24-2024, 03:20 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Wanted to clarify something.  While I prefer WCJ to just about anyone, I’m not anti-PJ.  If the deal were GWill plus Hardy (keeps us under the tax this season and upgrades GWill while not using the 2027 first), then I’d be in.  I actually think that may be one of the more likely ideas out there as I can see a world in which Charlotte would want to take on Hardy as a Rozier replacement.

I’m also in favor of J Grant and would include the 2027 pick for him.  But, that gets more complex because of what he makes and the fact Portland already has so many guards.  Would they really value THJ/Hardy/Green?

(01-24-2024, 03:58 PM)mvossman Wrote: There is a huge difference between free agency and trades.  Trades are on an even playing field, free agency is not.  Not spending every asset you have as soon as you get it is not plan powder.    

Your prediction is unlikely, but if its correct NY is not getting a high lottery pick from us because its top 10 protected again.

If Lindsy is so good at the draft, then why are begging to send out draft picks.

This mindset that we have to spend every asset immediately is part of what got us into this mess.

(01-24-2024, 04:44 PM)chaparral Wrote: The Mavs have not been good in free agency the last 3 years with the new MBT.  Let's blame that on a cheap owner.  The Mavs have had the 2027 FRP for a few years now.  I feel that saving FRP's to trade in a bunch on one player is the same as saving dollars to spend in a bunch on player in FA.  

Let me correct the high lottery term.  I meant picks 11 - 14 would be going to NYK.

Mavs are in this mess because we have a medaling owner who thinks he is a basketball person. 

I disagree with your mindset comment.  I believe we are in this mess because our owner thinks it's OK to let players walk for nothing.  He believes that it is OK to pay assets (Picks or $$) to get rid of players.

It's Cuban's mindset for the reason we are in this mess.  And we as fans are stuck with him until the new owners figure out, he is full of hot air.

(01-24-2024, 03:20 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Wanted to clarify something.  While I prefer WCJ to just about anyone, I’m not anti-PJ.  If the deal were GWill plus Hardy (keeps us under the tax this season and upgrades GWill while not using the 2027 first), then I’d be in.  I actually think that may be one of the more likely ideas out there as I can see a world in which Charlotte would want to take on Hardy as a Rozier replacement.

I’m also in favor of J Grant and would include the 2027 pick for him.  But, that gets more complex because of what he makes and the fact Portland already has so many guards.  Would they really value THJ/Hardy/Green?

(01-24-2024, 05:30 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I know GWill has been bad. I do not believe PJ is that big of an upgrade if at all. 

GWill when he's hitting 3s does exactly what we want. He's in a bad shooting stretch.

(01-24-2024, 04:55 PM)loki Wrote: The Mavs turning their 3 1sts into a difference maker next offseason is looking pretty challenging the more I think about it.

Brooklyn apparently turned down 4 1sts for Bridges after they acquired him.
Utah wanted 5 1sts for Markkanen.
Is Cam Johnson really a difference maker?

Dealing for Jerami Grant at the deadline doesn't look so bad if he's willing to lock in defensively. I think you send Williams and the 27 1st to Portland. Then flip THJ to Orlando for expirings and the best pick you can get. I'd rather go this route than wait until the offseason and strike out.

(01-24-2024, 11:47 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: I don't have any trade proposals to post. Just making a comment that the spacing on this team is currently a wreck. I really like DJJ but if he and Williams aren't going to take and make a volume of 3s this team isn't going to beat anyone. You need the wing defenders to be willing to each take 7-9 open threes per game -- and, of course, make them at a solid rate -- to keep defenses honest. That's a big problem right now.