(01-24-2024, 09:19 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: But, to what end.  Outside of peak Draymond, I'm not sure anyone here changes things for 23/24.  That's why I'm more interested in younger guys like WCJ, P Williams, Avdija and Kuminga.  The salaries and age of those guys makes much more sense to me than the usual suspect.  They aren't the final piece for 23/24 either, but they could be an important piece for the seasons beyond this.

(01-24-2024, 09:19 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: That's why I'm more interested in younger guys like WCJ, P Williams, Avdija and Kuminga.  The salaries and age of those guys makes much more sense to me than the usual suspect.  They aren't the final piece for 23/24 either, but they could be an important piece for the seasons beyond this.

(01-24-2024, 09:29 AM)omahen Wrote: The risk of this approach is, that the guys stays exactly as they are. As they are, they are not a difference maker and will not be. Because they are young, you are paying extra for the potential preventing you to have the asset for a (far) more established difference maker. That is why I am not a fan of this kind of moves. Outside of Kuminga, all the rest have been in the league long enough for us to pretty much know what they are and will be in the future. I rather wait for the right guy than split assets in a couple of tries hoping someone will be significantly different with us than he was so far.

(01-24-2024, 09:32 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Sure, but...if "exactly as they are" is an upgrade here, and maybe even a better fit here so that what they are looks a little more at home and therefore shines a bit more, then one of those guys might be a better asset than what you're giving up, in theory. 

I agree with your concern, don't get me wrong. I wouldn't do a lot of deals we talk about for exactly that reason. But, I think there are some moves that you might label "non-difference-making" that could make a difference down the road.

(01-24-2024, 09:38 AM)omahen Wrote: Basically my bottom line is - don't spend 2027 on any of those guys.

(01-24-2024, 09:41 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Right there with you. 

Fortunately, I'm reasonably sure the Mavs agree, or else I think we'd have seen that pick fly out over the summer.

(01-24-2024, 09:29 AM)omahen Wrote: The risk of this approach is, that the guys stays exactly as they are. As they are, they are not a difference maker and will not be. Because they are young, you are paying extra for the potential preventing you to have the asset for a (far) more established difference maker. That is why I am not a fan of this kind of moves. Outside of Kuminga, all the rest have been in the league long enough for us to pretty much know what they are and will be in the future. I rather wait for the right guy than split assets in a couple of tries hoping someone will be significantly different with us than he was so far.

(01-24-2024, 09:49 AM)omahen Wrote: For the record. I would spend 2027 for Grant. While he is not perfect, he is miles better for a third best guy than any other player we have.

(01-24-2024, 11:40 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: Jerami Grant is a poor rebounder.
Mavs would still bleed for rebounds with him, but... 

I would be okay giving up 2027 FRP IF:
GW and Holmes are packaged with the FRP.

But I'd try this first:
GW+Holmes+Hardy+2 2nds

I may be convinced to throw in THJ instead of GW or Holmes, but including THJ in the deal would make me pull-out the FRP (and I don't even like THJ).

(01-24-2024, 11:19 AM)Winter Wrote: I think "waiting for the right guy" in free agency is fool's gold. You're looking for a profile. You're looking for a player who has skills your team is lacking. And more importantly, you're looking for a player you can actually afford and who will sign with your team. Several very good players will likely be available in free agency, and the Mavericks have been historically bad at signing them.

The object is to improve the team, no? Good teams are built over time. Doing nothing when there is a clear need, is almost as big a risk - particularly for the current players who are well aware of what they need. If the Front Office tells me (a fan) after the trade deadline, they are "waiting for the right player," then I would say they were negligent.

(01-24-2024, 11:47 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: I'd throw a first for Deni+Gafford.
Neither would be paying too much, but combined, they're worth a FRP.
Specially if you can include Holmes+GW.
The limit form me is THJ+Hardy+FRP

I like Kuzma but, Deni's going to be good.

(01-24-2024, 12:21 PM)mvossman Wrote: I'm confused.  Who is talking about free agency?  At most we will have the MLE next offseason.  Any significant move this team makes in the next year and a half will almost definitely be a trade.  Other than that its just semantics.  What you describe is what someone else would call waiting for the right guy.  Its a spectrum.  You don't want to wait for perfect, but you also don't want to pull the trigger just to pull the trigger.

As far as that player we need, we desperately need two way players.  Do we have one on this team?  Maybe Exum?  Its almost impossible to contend without two way players.  Otherwise you are constantly trading out offense for defense and you can't ever be good at both.  Two way players are expensive.  We likely don't have the assets at the TDL to get one.  We will next offseason.  That should be the goal.  Doing anything this TDL that hampers that goal is likely a mistake.

(01-24-2024, 12:59 PM)Winter Wrote: Yes, you're confused. I'm merely replying to "wait to for the right player" comment of the poster before me - which is largely a generalization that includes trades and free agency. 

(01-24-2024, 11:47 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: I'd throw a first for Deni+Gafford.
Neither would be paying too much, but combined, they're worth a FRP.
Specially if you can include Holmes+GW.
The limit form me is THJ+Hardy+FRP

I like Kuzma but, Deni's going to be good.