(01-22-2024, 09:08 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I’m only interested in Kuzma if Gafford is part of the package

Mavs get: Kuzma and Gafford

Magic get: THJ

Wizards get: GWill, Green, Hardy, Gary Harris, Mavs 27 unprotected, Magic 2nds, Mavs 2nds

Wizards get 3 players 25 and under to rebuild. Plus some picks. Much better package than either OG or Siakam

Gafford/Lively
Kuzma/Maxi
DJJ/Gordon Hayward bought out
Kyrie
Luka/Exum

Good 9 man playoff rotation

(01-22-2024, 09:08 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I’m only interested in Kuzma if Gafford is part of the package

Mavs get: Kuzma and Gafford

Magic get: THJ

Wizards get: GWill, Green, Hardy, Gary Harris, Mavs 27 unprotected, Magic 2nds, Mavs 2nds

Wizards get 3 players 25 and under to rebuild. Plus some picks. Much better package than either OG or Siakam

Gafford/Lively
Kuzma/Maxi
DJJ/Gordon Hayward bought out
Kyrie
Luka/Exum

Good 9 man playoff rotation

(01-22-2024, 11:57 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: They said they want 2 FRPs for Kuzma, you add Gafford and only send 1 FRP. I’m sorry to say, this would not get close to the finish line. Take out Green and swap Avdija for Kuz and I think that would be close.
Well, without looking at salaries to match that up.
Edit: take away Green or GWill

(01-22-2024, 12:21 PM)omahen Wrote: I thought it was a pretty well thinked proposal as Wizzards get 1 FRP, 4 seconds and 2 young players (plus GW). Could they see Green as a running mate for Poole? I would also hope THJ for Harris could get us a FRP and not just 2 SRP. 

As for Orlando, they could sure use shooting, but I wonder how much they value their cap space next season. They will have maxish space if they don't add any salary.

(01-22-2024, 12:21 PM)omahen Wrote: I thought it was a pretty well thinked proposal as Wizzards get 1 FRP, 4 seconds and 2 young players (plus GW). Could they see Green as a running mate for Poole? I would also hope THJ for Harris could get us a FRP and not just 2 SRP. 

As for Orlando, they could sure use shooting, but I wonder how much they value their cap space next season. They will have maxish space if they don't add any salary.

(01-22-2024, 12:31 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: May be good VALUE to you (what does Wash actually think of Green, Hardy or GWill, Gafford is young too) but all reports talk about Wash wanting actual picks, not pick equivalent players. I think they’re getting ready for a long rebuild.
Gafford also, has only been in rumors where other teams are inquiring about him. Last report from Wash side about Gafford was they wanted to keep him. That means overpay to get him, to me.

(01-21-2024, 10:50 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Let's just do this.

(01-22-2024, 12:42 PM)mvossman Wrote: Given the reports that there is little market for Timmy, hard to see the Mavs get a first out of him, especially for an expiring contract.

I'm not sure how much value any of GWill, Green or Hardy has.  Unless somebody has a particular interest, they all seem like neutral contracts.  That makes the package significantly less than what the current asking price is, and as folks have mentioned, no reason for Wiz to be in any hurry to drop the asking price.

(01-22-2024, 12:42 PM)mvossman Wrote: Given the reports that there is little market for Timmy, hard to see the Mavs get a first out of him, especially for an expiring contract.

I'm not sure how much value any of GWill, Green or Hardy has.  Unless somebody has a particular interest, they all seem like neutral contracts.  That makes the package significantly less than what the current asking price is, and as folks have mentioned, no reason for Wiz to be in any hurry to drop the asking price.

(01-22-2024, 12:58 PM)omahen Wrote: I think the offer is basically best we can offer or it makes sense to offer. If that is not enough, so be it. Was gets unproteced FRP, which is better than any pick Toronto got. 4 SRP is roughly equivalent value of lottery protected FRP. As for young players, of course it all depends how the the trade partner values them. If they don't see any upside, the offer is meh. But might be they have a different opinion. 

Of course Gafford was added in the deal in the proposal and personally I don't have a problem if we don't include him. It means GW or THJ are out of the deal. In a deal like this, Kuzma is the centerpiece, not Gafford. Personally, I am not enthusiastic to pay a FRP of any kind for a back-up center. Not until this becomes the last piece of the puzzle needed.

Sacramento was the other team mentioned as interested. The only young player they have is Mitchell, who is already 25 and has been pretty much meh his 3 years in the league. Huerter has 2 more years of THJ level contract and is barely playing. Barnes is meh and also has 2 years left on his deal. The only advantage Sacramento has are picks, which they can offer more than Dallas. I think Mavs offer is still better though, unless Sacramento offers more than 2 FRP. 

Of course Washington may choose to rather keep Kuzma for the time being.

(01-22-2024, 01:05 PM)omahen Wrote: A little bit about THJ. I can understand why his value is low. THJ loves to shoot it, a lot. But, he is not terribly efficient doing it, just 36 % from three this season. He doesn't bring anything else. Several similar players are on the market.

Toronto is willing to move expiring Trent, who scores less but is a better shooter. Also much younger.
Fournier will likely be traded at some point and he might be very gettable then. He used to be THJ level player before Thibs decided to stop playing him.
Might be both Detroit and Atlanta Bogi can be had and both are probably better players than THJ.
Clarkson is also rumored to be available and he brings more than THJ to the table.

Perhaps I forgot some other options. All in all, there are plenty of shooters with iffy defense available, but there is limited use for them. Most of the teams need defense next to the stars. Defenders that are not totally incapable of scoring.

Edit: I forgot Hield. Another volume shooter who is much deadlier from three than THJ
Edit2: Rozier is also available

(01-22-2024, 01:14 PM)mvossman Wrote: While I agree with you that I don't want to pay a first for a backup center, if I had a choice between Kuz and Gafford for the same price, I pick Gafford without question.

(01-22-2024, 01:41 PM)surfpuckmd Wrote: Agreed.  We need a backup big far more than a backup scorer.

We're 20-10 when Dereck Lively plays and 4-7 when he doesn't.  By my interpretation, Lively's on/off this season is + 8.6 this season.  That's higher than even Luka.

Having another Dereck Lively-type center on our roster would improve our competitiveness significantly.

(01-22-2024, 02:09 PM)mvossman Wrote: I do agree with this, but I am curious what Powell's on/off is?  He actually has a higher net rating that Lively right now.