(01-20-2024, 12:22 PM)ACMFFL Wrote: Good catch, it could be easily solved though. Mavs could trade their 24 FRP 11-30 protected; if it doesnt convey by 2024 then Mavs send their unpr 26 FRP to BRK.

(01-20-2024, 01:57 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Evan Sidery (@esidery)
The Hornets will be sellers at the trade deadline, per @JakeLFischer (https://sports.yahoo.com/toronto-appears-to-be-seeking-established-young-players-in-deal-for-pascal-siakam-165933967.html).

LaMelo Ball, Brandon Miller and Mark Williams are the only players not available in trade talks.

Keep an eye on Terry Rozier, PJ Washington, Gordon Hayward and Miles Bridges potentially being on the move.

(01-20-2024, 02:00 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: We can't trade our 2024 pick because the Knicks own it. Thats whats going to convey this year and finally extinguish the KP deal. If it doesn't convey this year then it becomes 2 2nd round picks. 

But until the draft we can't make any future deal involving picks 24, 25, 26, 28, and 30. Only 2027 is available. In the summer we can potentially use 25, 27, and 31 in a deal.

(01-20-2024, 02:07 PM)ACMFFL Wrote: Technically we could move the 2024 pick by trading the rights on that 1st if it falls in the 1-10 range.

(01-20-2024, 02:04 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: What is the deal with Bridges?  Obviously the questions with him are off court.  But would a team trade for him?  What type of contract is he going to get this offseason?  Does Charlotte have any interest in bringing him back. 

Again, the main issues are his terrible acts off court.   Just with skillset though, he fits our needs.   Just not sure what franchise is going to take the heat for trading him or signing him.   Unfortunately, teams can have short memories if a guy can play.

(01-20-2024, 02:25 PM)F Gump Wrote: There is only one scenario for the Mavs to trade their 2024 FRP. And it isn't really usable.

2024 has been conveyed conditionally to NY - they get it if it lands 11-30. So you can't trade 11-30. 

And if it lands 1-10, it can't be traded due to the Stepien rule, since that would leave a scenario in which in 2 consecutive future drafts (2024 and 2025) the Mavs would possibly be without a FRP. So you can't trade 1-10.

There is one workaround, however (although it's not that useful). You can offer a pick swap for a different FRP in 2024, subject to the condition that Mavs have 1-10. So you can offer pick swap of 1-10 for a diff 2024 FRP, conditioned on having 1-10.

In light of where they are in the standings, that has no trade value. It won't push the needle on a trade to include such a nothing.

(01-20-2024, 02:36 PM)ACMFFL Wrote: I didnt think about it, thanks for the correction, appriciate it a lot! Then in order to "unlock" the 2026 pick the only way is to drop the protection on that NY pick giving them 1 SRP to make it happen.

(01-20-2024, 02:36 PM)ACMFFL Wrote: I didnt think about it, thanks for the correction, appriciate it a lot! Then in order to "unlock" the 2026 pick the only way is to drop the protection on that NY pick giving them 1 SRP to make it happen.

And I agree with you, I didnt even pretend to consider it a serious trade proposal, it was just for the sake of argument.

(01-20-2024, 04:30 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: There's discussion in the Discord of the Mavs being interested in Kuzma and Gafford. Folks there have suggested THJ, Holmes, Green, and '27 for those two.

Green is too much, given, as KL would say, "having to watch Kyle Kuzma in a Mavs' uniform." No more solidly does anyone fit in the Venn diagram juncture of "NBA player" and "douche" than Kyle Kuzma. But he would replace THJ's offensive production while being a slightly better fit. I'd be okay with the deal if it were THJ, Holmes, Hardy, and '27 for Kuzma and Gafford. If it's Green, then the Mavs would have to find a way to win the Grimes sweepstakes in their need for a POA defender while no longer having a FRP to trade.

(01-20-2024, 04:30 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: There's discussion in the Discord of the Mavs being interested in Kuzma and Gafford. Folks there have suggested THJ, Holmes, Green, and '27 for those two.

Green is too much, given, as KL would say, "having to watch Kyle Kuzma in a Mavs' uniform." No more solidly does anyone fit in the Venn diagram juncture of "NBA player" and "douche" than Kyle Kuzma. But he would replace THJ's offensive production while being a slightly better fit. I'd be okay with the deal if it were THJ, Holmes, Hardy, and '27 for Kuzma and Gafford. If it's Green, then the Mavs would have to find a way to win the Grimes sweepstakes in their need for a POA defender while no longer having a FRP to trade.

(01-20-2024, 02:58 PM)F Gump Wrote: You're welcome!

As to the other, I don't think there is any realistically possible scenario in which the Mavs would hand another pick to NY, for essentially nothing. The Mavs need more picks, not fewer, and imo it just makes no sense to offer extra value (unprotecting a pick) and then paying to do so as well. FWIW we had these same conversations a year ago, about how the Mavs supposedly needed to pay BKN to turn the 2023 pick unprotected, but wouldn't that be doubly bad if it had happened, losing out on a top 10 pick and also giving up another pick?

I think the path is to simply wait until after the draft for anything that might require multiple picks, until the 2024 is conveyed to NY. Or, like other teams do, just use "pick swap" as one of your picks. But the Mavs need more talent, and the draft can be a path to get it that doesn't require giving up assets.

(01-20-2024, 12:23 PM)mvossman Wrote: Maxi is a negative contract right now, Curry is neutral at best and Fournier is expiring.  Why would they pay 2 seconds for that deal?  I also doubt a bunch of seconds are enough for Hornets to take on bad contract and give up PJ.

(01-20-2024, 05:49 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Knicks are a team with a defensive-minded identity. Kleber could a plus defender on a good defensive team again. They need help at back-up PF/C. They also seem un-willing to pay Grimes, so Curry represents a cheap const-controlled replacement. That´s the reason the Knicks do it.

Nobody will give them Hornets a 1st for Washington, otherwise he would not be in Charlotte anymore. They have no real interest in him as a player imho. Otherwise the summer negotations don´t take this long. Washington likely wanted more money. So there is automatically some tension. The team is awful. He´s coming off the bench having a horrible season. The value is five 2nd round picks, of which I´d assess two for Holmes. But if it makes you feel better, we use Grant Williams instead. Buyer´s remorse swap, but then we keep at least Houstan and one of those 2nd round picks.

Atlanta traded Collins for Gay + 2nd. Washington is basically in the same boat. That´s the benchmark here. From that perspective it´s an overpay.

(01-20-2024, 04:39 PM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: Everyone here keeps negating the fact that NY is ONE SEASON away from that pick potentially converting to a 2nd rounder.  At this point the Knicks should jump at gaining immediate asset certainty and do what it can to gain an unprotected lotto pick this year, especially on a team like the Mavs built on only two players.

(01-20-2024, 07:16 PM)omahen Wrote: Not sure it makes sense for Mavs. If I understand correctly, team trading for Miles Bridges doesn't get his bird rights, which means Mavs have close to zero chance to resign him in the summer. Without that obstacle and his off the court stuff, he would be almost ideal for what Mavs need.

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1748824881007861968

(01-20-2024, 07:16 PM)omahen Wrote: Not sure it makes sense for Mavs. If I understand correctly, team trading for Miles Bridges doesn't get his bird rights, which means Mavs have close to zero chance to resign him in the summer. Without that obstacle and his off the court stuff, he would be almost ideal for what Mavs need.

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1748824881007861968