(01-17-2024, 10:24 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: That seems like a jump. They might just be curious what they get for that package and even be willing to pull the trigger in the right deal. That comes nowhere close to proving that they believe they must get off of Holmes now.

(01-17-2024, 01:38 AM)RGP1981 Wrote: I would so be for this trade too. 

THJ + Hardy + Dwight... for Grimes + Sims + Fournier

Then, if possible, re-route Fournier elsewhere, cause he sukks too.

Bye Timmeh! Bye Dwight!

(01-17-2024, 10:26 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think the Mavs are being opportunistic, as they should be.  I expect with the current market and the available assets the Mavs have they will be unable to make a big trade.  Potentially they may look to make a smaller trade but not sure it moves the needle enough for what we would need to give up.

(01-17-2024, 10:25 AM)mvossman Wrote: Same rumors for Timmy and McGee that never happened.  I think recent history suggests maybe they do agree with me.  They are trying to shop him, but I don't think they are interested in paying assets to dump him.

(01-17-2024, 10:30 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Who said anything about what they were requesting in return? You said yhey would be best served to wait till the offseason. I said they don’t agree. Why is this so controversial to warrant so many replies?

(01-17-2024, 10:36 AM)mvossman Wrote: Just to clarify, I argued that it was not necessary to get off him now, that I thought it would likely cost an asset to do so, and that I would not want to pay that asset now.  If they manage to get from under that contract without paying anything, then more power to them.

(01-17-2024, 10:42 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: You were replying to a guy advocating for the Tate and Landale for Holmes trade. In that trade the writer says perhaps a SRP or 2. In that case, the asset would be added determined by Tate’s worth, not because of Holmes.

(01-17-2024, 10:29 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Addition by subtraction.

(01-17-2024, 10:55 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: In discord there is talk about Patrick Williams being a potential fit for our future PF. The thought is it would probably take less assets to snt for him than it would take to get Siakam/Grant/Kuzma.

(01-17-2024, 10:51 AM)mvossman Wrote: Timmy and Powell have both been among our top 8 players.  I really don't see how you can argue addition by subtraction when you can point to multiple games recently that we clearly would have lost without one of them.

(01-17-2024, 10:59 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I used to LOVE the idea of him, when he was first drafted. All the talk around him lately (and I've heard and read a bunch) is about how he hasn't progressed even a centimeter since he was drafted and might be the number 1 reason the Bulls' plan fell so flat on its face. I think he'll be out of the league soon, and I think O-Max is better right now.

(01-17-2024, 08:58 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: I personally hope the Mavs will use the next two weeks to determine if the size and defense we need at the 4 is currently on the roster.  I wasn't certain if Maxi would return but I'd like to see how he looks before we trade for a backup 4/5.  His previous ability to play versatile defense, defend the rim and hit open 3s would provide much of what we currently need.  I'd also like to see OMax get some minutes in every game until the trade deadline.  I would be fine with him taking some of Grant Williams minutes as an experiment.  He is probably not ready but I enjoy a surprise.  

If neither of those players look ready to make positive contributions after a 2-week trial run, then I hope we'll look at a trade shortly before the deadline.  All I'm saying is give MaxiOMax a chance.

While I'm here, I'd like to give Dwight Powell a little shout out.  He has been playing really well lately.  His advanced stats now clearly show he's one of our top-6 players.  That contract looks like great value.  I think we just need a bigger PF next to him in his minutes.

(01-17-2024, 11:00 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I have to admit, this was my thought on him until some guys were saying his defense and rebounding are good and his offense needs a new team.

(01-17-2024, 11:08 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I also agree the Mavs need to take some time to figure out if Maxi could be the switchable 4 with size we need already. But I will say his shot looks so broken it makes me wary. Im not sure what happened to him but he's developed this hitch in his shot and it looks awful. And I can't even blame the toe injury because he was shooting like that at the beginning of the season.

(01-17-2024, 11:00 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Man I hate this argument. Let me ask you this? If THJ is not on the team, do his shot attempts just vanish? The boost given to all our guys in 21-22 when THJ went down for the season was pretty amazing.

(01-17-2024, 11:12 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: He's the exact right, ideal TYPE of player, imo. That's why I've been so into him over the years. And, I be he grabs some rebounds from time to time just based on his elite combo of size and movement ability. He's the prototypical dream, physically. 

I don't know if I agree about the defense, however. I don't think he's ever really learned to play basketball, which includes realizing his defensive potential. I for sure think he's unplayable on offense. The Bulls have kept playing him because they drafted him 4th, so they kind of had to just keep hoping he'd start to figure it out. But, everyone I've heard talk about him, guys like Holinger, Duncan, Lowe and others (not the end-all-be-all, but for sure guys who actually watch these guys play before speaking) have basically given up on him. He's kind of a punch line, frankly. 

Even if we don't buy that, what I can't get past is that the Mavs already have a guy with that, exact set of physical tools (which, again, is all there is to like about Patrick Williams). And by all accounts, their guy, O-Max, is a great person with a great work ethic. I really, truly think O-Max is closer to being a contributor on a good team than Patrick Williams is. 

Having said that...I bet Williams could be gotten VERY cheaply.

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Ok. Valid.

But, the whole time he was out, people were acting like he'd never be a good defender again. I don't know about you, but he looked pretty damn good on defense to me the past two games. I feel pretty confident they'll get the shot figured out, too. 

If they want to move him for a better or more consistently available player I won't object, but I feel that Kleber has some high level basketball left in him.

(01-17-2024, 10:11 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: This had me thinking about Houston and the fact we haven’t brought up Eason in a long time.

They want a backup C. They offered Powell a double digit contract last offseason. They have 2 rookies that could use some extra minutes. 

Eason is a good player stuck behind a better player. He’s playing 21 mpg for them.

My trade proposal:
Tate and Eason for Powell, Green and 27

We then trade THJ to Orl who sends Fultz and a SRP to Atl who sends Capela to us

Luka/Kyrie/DJJ/Eason/Cap
Exum/Hardy/Tate/GWill/Lively

That is a solid team with 2 picks and a couple expirings and some young talent to add a starting caliber SF in the offseason.

(01-17-2024, 11:00 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I have to admit, this was my thought on him until some guys were saying his defense and rebounding are good and his offense needs a new team.

(01-17-2024, 11:12 AM)KillerLeft Wrote:

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Ok. Valid.

But, the whole time he was out, people were acting like he'd never be a good defender again. I don't know about you, but he looked pretty damn good on defense to me the past two games. I feel pretty confident they'll get the shot figured out, too. 

If they want to move him for a better or more consistently available player I won't object, but I feel that Kleber has some high level basketball left in him.

(01-17-2024, 11:24 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Haven't you been trumpeting the need to get guys that work on both ends of the court? I love Maxi. His defense has been pretty damn good since he's returned and something we've sorely needed.

But come playoff time if Maxi is being left wide open because teams don't respect his shot he's going to be sitting on the bench and it won't matter how good his defense is.

(01-17-2024, 11:20 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: The 2027 pick is the most valuable asset we have and last big piece for a star player. Green is probably our best foundation for a star package too. Tate and Eason are 7-10th guys. Why are we throwing both of them in here?

Houston writer thinks Tate is a throw in for a guy like Holmes. Is Eason worth Green+27?