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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hawks spoke to Lakers and Heat about Murray| MIA wants Mitchell - Knutsen - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 12:26 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @BasketballOnX
Pascal Siakam has told teams he will not give a commitment to re-sign with any team that is not the Raptors; per
@MattMooreTAN
“He will not give a verbal commitment whatsoever… with the Pacers, the Hawks, the Kings, the Warriors or any other team that trades for him. He wants to test out free agency.”
[via
@LockedOnNBAPods
]
Sounds good to me - makes sure we need to pay the least possible price to get him at the trade deadline!
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hawks spoke to Lakers and Heat about Murray| MIA wants Mitchell - SleepingHero - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 12:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Dude REALLY thinks he can will a supermax from Toronto into existence. This is wild.
I'm leaning more towards @FGump's POV after reading that first tweet.
He really thinks he can will it into existence.
This feels a whole lot like the Kyrie situation except Pascal is demanding to stay vs. wanting out. I think he'll sober up pretty quickly when he realizes the team that trades for him can offer the most amount of money.
My only hangup is how would Kyrie and Luka feel being 2nd and 3rd most paid behind Pascal Siakam, who objectively would be 3rd banana.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pascal wants to test FA. | Murray welcomes Spurs trade? - MarkAguirreWrathofGod - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 12:45 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Always been a Grimes fan. No fit between Dallas and NYK but I’d love to swap Green for Grimes. Hes not scared to shoot.
Grimes is a nice enough player, good defender. But if he was here we would be picking apart the things he doesn’t do well.in relation to Josh. Terrible rebounder, zero court vision. Can’t finish at the rim. They average the same amount of shot attempts per game.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pascal wants to test FA. | Murray welcomes Spurs trade? - RoyTarpleysGhost - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 01:23 PM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: Grimes is a nice enough player, good defender. But if he was here we would be picking apart the things he doesn’t do well.in relation to Josh. Terrible rebounder, zero court vision. Can’t finish at the rim. They average the same amount of shot attempts per game.
He’s a better fit next to Luka because he’s not afraid to launch the three. True three and D guy. 20 minutes, 4.6 threes, 39%.
Josh Green’s court vision and playmaking are useless when Luka and Kyrie are healthy. 26 minutes, 3.0 threes, 37%
Grimes would probably put up 6-7 threes a game playing with Luka and getting minutes.
I think I’ve seen enough of Green to know the bigger the moment, the more scared he is.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pascal wants to test FA. | Murray welcomes Spurs trade? - DallasMaverick - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 01:28 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: He’s a better fit next to Luka because he’s not afraid to launch the three. True three and D guy. 20 minutes, 4.6 threes, 39%.
Josh Green’s court vision and playmaking are useless when Luka and Kyrie are healthy. 26 minutes, 3.0 threes, 37%
Grimes would probably put up 6-7 threes a game playing with Luka and getting minutes.
I think I’ve seen enough of Green to know the bigger the moment, the more scared he is.
How do you account for the semi-game-winners he's hit in the past few games?
Didn't look scared to me!
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pascal wants to test FA. | Murray welcomes Spurs trade? - MarkAguirreWrathofGod - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 01:28 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: He’s a better fit next to Luka because he’s not afraid to launch the three. True three and D guy. 20 minutes, 4.6 threes, 39%.
Josh Green’s court vision and playmaking are useless when Luka and Kyrie are healthy. 26 minutes, 3.0 threes, 37%
Grimes would probably put up 6-7 threes a game playing with Luka and getting minutes.
I think I’ve seen enough of Green to know the bigger the moment, the more scared he is.
Green literally just hit two clutch 3 point shots in the last three games?
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pascal wants to test FA. | Murray welcomes Spurs trade? - Winter - 01-16-2024
I think PS is out of the picture for the Mavs. Dallas is pretty much looking elsewhere for trade value at this point.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hawks spoke to Lakers and Heat about Murray| MIA wants Mitchell - omahen - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 01:10 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: He really thinks he can will it into existence.
This feels a whole lot like the Kyrie situation except Pascal is demanding to stay vs. wanting out. I think he'll sober up pretty quickly when he realizes the team that trades for him can offer the most amount of money.
My only hangup is how would Kyrie and Luka feel being 2nd and 3rd most paid behind Pascal Siakam, who objectively would be 3rd banana.
Seems like he wants to be the man in Toronto. His stance is reducing his price and making it less likely he gets traded. If he is not traded, he can negotiate extension with Toronto or go to FA, if they are not willing to committ. Toronto can't afford to lose him for nothing in the summer too. I think his plan might work.
If he gets traded anyway, I think the team trading for him will have best chance to keep him, as they can offer him most money. But the team would need to risk it.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pascal wants to test FA. | Murray welcomes Spurs trade? - DanSchwartzgan - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 01:35 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: How do you account for the semi-game-winners he's hit in the past few games?
Didn't look scared to me!
An over looked but interesting aspect of those two games. Green played the entire 4th quarter in both (yesterday with 5 fouls).
For all the talk of what he’s not, Kidd seems to value what he is when it is needed the most.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hawks spoke to Lakers and Heat about Murray| MIA wants Mitchell - RGP1981 - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 12:05 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: (@FredKatz)
The Knicks are actively fielding offers for Quentin Grimes, according to rival executives who've been in contact with them, and are hoping to land facilitating help behind Jalen Brunson.
Powell + Hardy + what pick (?) for Grimes + Sims
I think Grimes is exactly the player (from those available) that is needed on this roster, and he is on Luka's timeline at 24 yo. He has a better balance of 3-point shooting and defense than Josh Green (not enough 3) or THJ/Curry (not enough D).
I can think of plenty of other teams where Grimes would fit in good. Like the Nuggets, Pacers, Rockets, Heat, Grizzlies, Lakers, Bucks, Warriors, Celtics, 76ers, Hawks, Magic, Kings, Pistons, etc. Almost every team. The Mavs FO need to snap him up ASAP... which probably means the Mavs FO will faff around and miss out, lol.
They could also use this as an opportunity to sort out the backup Center... by trying to get Jericho Sims in the same trade.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pascal wants to test FA. | Murray welcomes Spurs trade? - BoredAssistant - 01-16-2024
I happened to hear part of Cuban's interview on 97.1 today. As other posters have mentioned, he said he is concerned with the 2nd apron and it's restrictions and other teams will be as well. More so than say whether or not they are in a better position with draft picks for trades this off season as opposed to this trade deadline. Also, he thinks they need a guy 6'8" or taller with some ability to dribble and iirc rebound also.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hawks spoke to Lakers and Heat about Murray| MIA wants Mitchell - Smitty - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 03:17 PM)RGP1981 Wrote: Powell + Hardy + what pick (?) for Grimes + Sims
I think Grimes is exactly the player (from those available) that is needed on this roster, and he is on Luka's timeline at 24 yo. He has a better balance of 3-point shooting and defense than Josh Green (not enough 3) or THJ/Curry (not enough D).
I can think of plenty of other teams where Grimes would fit in good. Like the Nuggets, Pacers, Rockets, Heat, Grizzlies, Lakers, Bucks, Warriors, Celtics, 76ers, Hawks, Magic, Pistons, etc. Almost every team. The Mavs FO need to snap him up ASAP... which probably means the Mavs FO will faff around and miss out, lol.
They could also use this as an opportunity to sort out the backup Center... by trying to get Jericho Sims in the same trade.
You must have missed “and are hoping to land facilitating help behind Jalen Brunson.”
Hardy doesn’t move the needle. Powell is Powell.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hawks spoke to Lakers and Heat about Murray| MIA wants Mitchell - RGP1981 - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 03:41 PM)Smitty Wrote: You must have missed “and are hoping to land facilitating help behind Jalen Brunson.”
Hardy doesn’t move the needle. Powell is Powell.
I didn't miss it. I'm just hoping they think Hardy can provide that facilitating help, and a pick will help push them over the line. Also hoping they can be fooled into thinking that Dwight Powell could be a capable backup C for them while Robinson is out. Dwight would also be good for the New York community, him being such a wonderful community guy. They do have communities in New York, right?
Would you give them Exum for Grimes? I'm reluctant... but could be tempted into it.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hawks spoke to Lakers and Heat about Murray| MIA wants Mitchell - DallasMaverick - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 02:13 PM)omahen Wrote: Seems like he wants to be the man in Toronto. His stance is reducing his price and making it less likely he gets traded. If he is not traded, he can negotiate extension with Toronto or go to FA, if they are not willing to committ. Toronto can't afford to lose him for nothing in the summer too. I think his plan might work.
If he gets traded anyway, I think the team trading for him will have best chance to keep him, as they can offer him most money. But the team would need to risk it.
It's a fascinating strategy: to drive down his attractiveness to acquiring teams, thus reducing the return that Toronto can expect in a trade. So essentially, it's a squeeze on Toronto to ante up the max.
It also means that, if indeed a trade happens, the acquiring team won't be giving up many assets. So he'll be joining a decently strong team, not one with a bare cupboard.
Now, let's say no trade is made, he hits free agency. Who can sign him? Seems like a short list. If he wants to play for a winner, maybe Philadelphia? But they will recognize the lack of competition, and perhaps offer somewhat less than the max.
So really, Siakam's maximum leverage is right now, prior to the trade deadline.
What if the offer to Toronto was, say, Klay Thompson (with a promise to re-sign 3 years @$15m/yr)?
Or, how about Gordon Hayward, with a similar promise?
Not exciting players, by any stretch, but at least they get something.
My issue right now with any Mavs offer is that, for salary matching purposes, we've got to include some serviceable pieces: THJ, or Maxi, or GWill, along with Holmes. Based on Siakam's stated intention of testing the free agent market, and my unwillingness to give him a max contract, it seems too rich.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pascal wants to test FA. | Murray welcomes Spurs trade? - RGP1981 - 01-16-2024
Think I like Jerami Grant's fit next to Luka/Kyrie better than Siakam's.
TBH, Jerami would have been absolutely perfect if he was 2-3 inches taller and a few years younger.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pascal wants to test FA. | Murray welcomes Spurs trade? - Mavs2021 - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 01:37 PM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: Green literally just hit two clutch 3 point shots in the last three games?
Exactly. I finally put it together. Most widespread marsupial in Australia? The possum. He´s just playing possum for 46 minutes, so he´s left wide open at the end of games to unleash his inner Robert Horry. Guys it´s just an act.
On this Siakam thing. Sure that none of the teams that he´s been linked with have thrown around the max number, that he´s seeking. If somebody commits to the summer max, he´ll make the summer promise. Just like Porzingis always wanted to play for the Mavs, once our chief committed to a 160/5 summer guarantee with a player option and zero injury incentives.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hawks spoke to Lakers and Heat about Murray| MIA wants Mitchell - Mavs2021 - 01-16-2024
(01-15-2024, 09:36 PM)mvossman Wrote: I'm not a fan of the Morris signing, but I'm having a hard time slamming the FO for back of the roster signings given we are starting two of them and the roster in general went from paper thin to one of the deepest we have had in years. Its also hard to convince centers looking for minutes to sign with you when you already have 4 on the roster.
If you are not convinced that you can beat out Dwight Powell or Richaun Holmes for minutes, I don´t want you here. I somehow doubt that´s the reason Goga, Hartenstein, Wagner and company are not here right now. It´s the Mavs never made the proper moves. The minutes argument is completely crazy. Why are we even discussing C upgrades, when apparently our rotation is so strong that only Embiid and Jokic would even consider signing here in FA.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pascal wants to test FA. | Murray welcomes Spurs trade? - MFFL - 01-16-2024
(01-16-2024, 04:16 PM)RGP1981 Wrote: Think I like Jerami Grant's fit next to Luka/Kyrie better than Siakam's.
TBH, Jerami would have been absolutely perfect if he was 2-3 inches taller and a few years younger.
Grant is not a rebounder. We need a rebounder
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pascal wants to test FA. | Murray welcomes Spurs trade? - SleepingHero - 01-16-2024
In Eric Pincus latest article
“Finally, the Dallas Mavericks and Kings are also believed to be buyers, likely for bigger wings, with hopes to bolster their playoff chances.”
The time is near, per multiple accounts, when the Raptors won't reinvest in the 29-year-old forward. And since he's in the last year of his deal, they don't want to lose him without a return like with Fred VanVleet, who went to the Houston Rockets as an unrestricted free agent.
According to sources, the Raptors are looking for a return similar to what they got from the New York Knicks for OG Anunoby (RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley)—young players who can fit around Scottie Barnes.
Thus far, the challenge is that Siakam is believed to be expecting a maximum contract this offseason (which projects to start at $42.6 million). That has apparently scared off suitors like the Sacramento Kings and Indiana Pacers.
The Kings do not appear willing to part with Keegan Murray to pay Siakam at that price. Similarly, the Pacers have enough cap room to wait until July to sign Siakam without giving up Bennedict Mathurin or Jarace Walker. Even if he doesn't choose them in free agency, they can chase someone younger (assuming they don't pivot and trade for a suitable forward before then).
Siakam may land elsewhere in the end, with some pointing to the Golden State Warriors as a real option. The buzz all year has the Warriors minding their budget, but the team is struggling and still wants to keep the Steph Curry era competitive.
With Chris Paul's expiring contract (technically $30 million non-guaranteed for 2024-25) and pieces like Jonathan Kuminga and Moses Moody, the Warriors could make a credible run at Siakam. Golden State is high on rookie Brandin Podziemski, so leave him out of "fake trades," per one source.
@KevinGraySports
“They’re fortunate that the Bulls weren’t shopping Zach LaVine last year because the Mavericks wanted them too. The Mavericks wanted to make a move for Zach LaVine…” #MFFL
@espn_macmahon
in talking about impact that Kyrie Irving has made
https://twitter.com/KevinGraySports/status/1747361933634793615
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pascal wants to test FA. | Murray welcomes Spurs trade? - SleepingHero - 01-16-2024
Another tid bit from Pincus
“The bait offered [for Siakam] is believed to be Buddy Hield, Bruce Brown Jr. and one of Indiana's two first-round picks in the 2024 draft.”
IND offer is super close to what the Mavs can offer, except their deals are expiring.