(01-05-2024, 11:21 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Most Warrior fans are on Kuminga and Moodys side. 

Kerr will ride or die with his vets. Klay isn’t the same guy. Wiggins has been awful. Draymond is a crazy person. 

Thats why I think Bob Myers left. He saw this shit coming.

(01-05-2024, 10:47 PM)omahen Wrote: Looks like Sacramento is not that enthusiastic about mortgaging their future for a possible rental.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1743454905023537427?s=46&t=Ofn9ihgBPdBFQJpnkEDS0A

(01-06-2024, 04:33 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Charlotte is sneakly 2-13 in their last 15 games. Washington continues to play poorly, tanking his trade value. I have to give up Kleber, Williams or Holmes + two 2nd round picks, that seems a lot more interesting than Green, Hardy and a 1st for Siakam. Washington is younger, cost-controlled and no flight risk.


WCJ should be very available, too. If we can flip Williams, Kleber and Curry for Washington/WCJ, I´d roll with that for the season.

Doncic/Exum/Hardy
Irving/Green/Lawson
DJJ/THJ/
Washington/Omax/Morris
Lively/WCJ/Powell/Holmes

(01-06-2024, 11:44 AM)loki Wrote: I'd be thrilled with Williams+2nds for PJ, but I don't think that's enough value for Charlotte to justify the downgrade. What if they could also turn Richards into WCJ? I think Richards might be a better fit for the Mavs anyway at less than half the cost.

Dallas: PJ, Richards, Ingles
Charlotte: WCJ, Williams, Dal 2nds
Orlando: THJ, Powell

Something like this would also put the Mavs in good position to re-sign DJJ next summer.

Doncic/Exum
Irving/Hardy
DJJ/Green/Ingles
PJ/Omax or Maxi
Lively/Richards

(01-06-2024, 02:42 PM)SleepingHero Wrote:

Stealing this from Tyler. I really like this trade. Especially since this guy Cowley just posted this:

The Sacramento Kings and Golden State Warriors are two teams to monitor on the Zach LaVine trade market, per @JCowleyHoops

“Keep an eye on Sacramento and Golden State as they battle with inconsistency and tough roster decisions, and then there’s always the unforeseen injury that could happen to a team with deep playoff aspirations. In other words, a quiet market today could become very loud tomorrow or in the upcoming weeks.”

(01-06-2024, 02:42 PM)SleepingHero Wrote:

Stealing this from Tyler. I really like this trade. Especially since this guy Cowley just posted this:

The Sacramento Kings and Golden State Warriors are two teams to monitor on the Zach LaVine trade market, per @JCowleyHoops

“Keep an eye on Sacramento and Golden State as they battle with inconsistency and tough roster decisions, and then there’s always the unforeseen injury that could happen to a team with deep playoff aspirations. In other words, a quiet market today could become very loud tomorrow or in the upcoming weeks.”

(01-07-2024, 05:38 AM)omahen Wrote: Everyone is saying now, that Atlanta strategy has changed and they want to be sellers.

This leaves Capela. I think he is very much a center we could use. I know I have been against minor moves before a trade for big wing is realized, but this one is a bit different. Capela is overpayed to an extent, but will be expiring next season and will have value to teams.  Holmes and Maxi would be great from Mavs perspective, as both don't play and none is expiring. Capela would be a huge upgrade. But, Holmes and Maxi are such negative contracts, that 2 SRP wouldn't be enough to motivate the seller, imho.

What I would consider would be Hardy and 2 SRP as assets.

(01-07-2024, 08:31 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Welcome to the dark side.  I’m not sure Hardy is a great fit next to Trae, but who knows what they will look like post-Murray.

I saw something similar on another site, but their deal was Holmes/Maxi/2027 for Capela.  Didn’t specify unprotected, but with the outgoing salary Atlanta would be eating, I’d assume it would be unprotected or very lightly protected.  Atlanta doesn’t currently have a 2027 pick, so a swap doesn’t work.

Such a deal would have the benefits you’ve outlined plus some others.  Capela makes about $1.6mm less than the Holmes/Maxi combo in 24/25 (getting you a little further under the apron).  You’d also be further under the tax in 23/24 and might be able to use the rest of the MLE and still be under the tax in the current season.  Atlanta has a $23mm TPE.  If you structure a deal that matches by itself (like Holmes/Hardy) then anything else you send creates a TPE for Dallas (so, Maxi’s inclusion would create an $11mm TPE).  

48 minutes of strong center play has always appealed to me.  I also like some of the side benefits listed above.  But, Hardy and seconds seems light on the Atlanta side and the 2027 pick seems like too much (even lightly protected).  

What would we pay to get to:

Lively, DJJ, Green, Irving, Luka
Capela, OMax, GWill, THJ, Exum

(01-07-2024, 08:44 AM)omahen Wrote: Thanks for the input.  Hardy role in Atlanta would be 6th man. I agree Hardy and 2 SRP seems light. But, I am not interested in 2027 pick for a back-up center and salary dump, it would impact our flexibility too much, imho. Perhaps, if we get a lottery protected future pick back.

Green might be someone Atlanta would have more interest in, as he is a better fit next to Trae. Holmes+Green straight up? We keep our flexibility going forward and Exum/DJJ take point of attack defender minutes.

(01-07-2024, 08:44 AM)omahen Wrote: Hardy role in Atlanta would be 6th man. 

(01-07-2024, 09:36 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I wouldn’t go there.  The lineups where Green plays without THJ work very well.  Between Luka, Kyrie, Exum and Green you have something to build on in the back court.

The things that have to be fixed (mainly defensively) are the non-Lively minutes, most of the THJ minutes and most of the GWill minutes.  82games breaks down O-Rating/D-Rating by position played and also lets you look at the top 20 lineups to see who is in with a player when they play those positions.  It is really hard to find THJ lineups that play any D.  It is really really bad.  He’s one of five guys, so it isn’t all on him, but you can at least find lineups that work with the other guys.

If you could shore up the non-Lively minutes with this deal and shed THJ for just about anything useful, you dramatically improve the D and dramatically improve our prospects.  The core that works is Luka, Kyrie, Green, Exum, DJJ, Lively and (Non-Lively minutes filler) and (THJ Replacement).  You’d like OMax to eventually join that group.  To me, everyone else is fair game.  I wonder if putting GWill in a deal instead of either Maxi or Holmes does anything for Atlanta.

(01-07-2024, 09:52 AM)omahen Wrote: GW is certainly a better contract then Maxi or Holmes, but Mavs would be left with DJJ as their only PF after the trade. And he is very small for the position. They would have a really hard time against any big team and any team with a very good PF. There are plenty of those in the West.

GW doesn't look like a long term solution and I wouldn't mind moving him, but only if another PF comes back

(01-07-2024, 08:31 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: 48 minutes of strong center play has always appealed to me.  I also like some of the side benefits listed above.  But, Hardy and seconds seems light on the Atlanta side and the 2027 pick seems like too much (even lightly protected). 

(01-07-2024, 11:55 AM)SamStetz Wrote: I feel like if we could get ATL an
expiring contract, the trade for Capela gets easier. Something like

DAL - Capela 
ATL - G. Harris
ORL - THJ

You can add 2nds if needed, and maybe explore adding Holmes to the deal, sending him to ATL.

(01-07-2024, 10:32 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Maybe the path is getting a PF from whoever Atlanta sends Murray to.  For instance, if Dallas joins in a Murray to LAL deal, maybe we end up with Rui and Capela.  LA gets Murray and GWill and Atlanta gets picks from LA and Dallas and some crap contracts from both.  If Atlanta wants to build around Johnson, Hachimura isn’t critical to them.  But, he brings more to the table than GWill.

(01-07-2024, 12:40 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Actually, the way I’d do this is this:

LAL:  Rui/JHS/Unprotected 2027 out…Murray in
DAL:  THJ/Holmes/Top 3 protected 2027 out…Rui/Capela in
ATL:  Murray/Capela out…THJ/Holmes/JHS/2027-LAL/2027-DAL in

Capela and Rui are both Wasserman.  Murray puts another Klutch guy in LA.  Reeves stays out of the deal, but LA’s pick is unprotected and JHS has more size than someone like Hardy.  Dallas has all sorts of wings in Rui, OMax, GWill, DJJ, Exum and Green to mix and match with 48 minutes of center and 70 minutes of Luka/Kyrie.