(01-05-2024, 06:21 AM)F Gump Wrote: A note about Siakam ....

In looking back at some of the articles about SP in the past 6 months, one note stood out, which I think we need to consider. He said that he didn't want to be traded, and also said that he would definitely refuse to re-sign with any team who traded for him. That likely was related to his desire for a 35% of cap supermax deal.

Obviously he was trying to force TOR to keep him, which would leave the door open for him to get the deal he wants.

There are several relevant takeaways ....
1 His attitude toward any team that trades for him is a big deal. Has it changed?
2 Contract means a lot.
3 Is supermax important enough, all by itself, that it offers a creative avenue to an extend-and-trade? 

Outside of Toronto giving him that amount this summer (if he qualifies), he will first hit 35% eligibility after the 2025-26 season.

If he signs a 2-year deal (extension) this summer (or with a trade), his next contract comes in summer 2026, with him eligible for 35%. So his next 4 years starting this summer would be at 30, 30, 35, 35.
If he signs a 4-year deal this summer, his next contract comes in summer 2028, and his next 4 years starting this summer would be at 30, 30, 30, 30.

Is "we have a way to get you a supermax sooner" a feasible way to land an extend-and-trade with PS, if he's on the trade market?

(01-05-2024, 07:27 AM)omahen Wrote: I don't think Siakam is supermax worth. It would also be a bit problematic after Doncic gets his supermax. But, if Siakam is the one player that makes Mavs a contender, I wouldn't oppose it. Meaning, if Mavs get at least one title after the trade, it was fully worth it. If not, it would be of course a fail. It would take more contracts to make the trade happen, but still doable. Toronto would need to be sure they get at least same level of assets compared to trading him at TDL.

I don't mind waiting for him for half a year, if they would have a "wink, wink" deal with Toronto and Siakam. Mavs still imho need Lively to get a bit of an experience, so I don't think they become a serious contender this season, even if they add Siakam. Sure, they would have a chance if things would go right, but a lot of things would need to go right.

As a final note. I don't think such a wink, wink deal would be realistic. Too risky for all parties as each of them could change their mind, leaving the other two partners with nothing.

(01-05-2024, 09:01 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Of all the feasible moves out there a Hardaway for Isaac swap makes the most sense. They are polar opposite players. We would get a glimpse of what it’s like to actually play big. There would be a drop in offense. But how much? And would it be worth it net rating for the added defense, length and rebounding. If it works we could double down on adding size in the offseason with all our assets still available. It would be a low risk safe move

Siakam is worth it at the right price point. And if we’re ready to lock into that big 3 then let’s do it. We wouldn’t be totally all in and could still pivot before Luka’s extension. But, it’s possible in a new CBA landscape that the 3 star method is not the way to go and that 2 stars and a ton of elite depth is better with Luka

(01-05-2024, 07:27 AM)omahen Wrote: I don't think Siakam is supermax worth. It would also be a bit problematic after Doncic gets his supermax. But, if Siakam is the one player that makes Mavs a contender, I wouldn't oppose it. Meaning, if Mavs get at least one title after the trade, it was fully worth it. If not, it would be of course a fail. It would take more contracts to make the trade happen, but still doable. Toronto would need to be sure they get at least same level of assets compared to trading him at TDL.

I don't mind waiting for him for half a year, if they would have a "wink, wink" deal with Toronto and Siakam. Mavs still imho need Lively to get a bit of an experience, so I don't think they become a serious contender this season, even if they add Siakam. Sure, they would have a chance if things would go right, but a lot of things would need to go right.

As a final note. I don't think such a wink, wink deal would be realistic. Too risky for all parties as each of them could change their mind, leaving the other two partners with nothing.

(01-05-2024, 09:17 AM)F Gump Wrote: I must have written something wrong. I'm talking about a trade now, with the sort of assets already being discussed. I agree that an under-the-table agreement is not a good idea. I don't even know how that would work.

My thought was focused on finding an incentive for him to agree to adding 2 years as he is traded now. The dollar value of an extend-and-trade is a tad smaller than a 2-year max as a FA, but not by a big amount, and it puts him in the same dollar vicinity as both Kyrie and Luka. And the 2 years gets him to 35% eligibility for the next deal.

If you are thinking of a sign-and-trade later, that delays him getting to supermax numbers. Those deals must be for 3 or 4 years, not two. But that was not what I am talking about.

(01-05-2024, 02:17 AM)SleepingHero Wrote:

(01-05-2024, 06:21 AM)F Gump Wrote: A note about Siakam ....

In looking back at some of the articles about PS in the past 6 months, one note stood out, which I think we need to consider. He said that he didn't want to be traded, and also said that he would definitely refuse to re-sign with any team who traded for him. That likely was related to his desire for a 35% of cap supermax deal.

Obviously he was trying to force TOR to keep him, which would leave the door open for him to get the deal he wants.

There are several relevant takeaways ....
1 His attitude toward any team that trades for him is a big deal. Has it changed?
2 Contract means a lot to him.
3 Is supermax important enough, all by itself, that it offers a creative avenue to an extend-and-trade? 

Outside of Toronto giving him that amount this summer (if he qualifies), he will first hit 35% eligibility after the 2025-26 season.

If he signs a 2-year deal (extension) this summer (or with a trade), his next contract comes in summer 2026, with him eligible for 35%. So his next 4 years starting this summer would be at 30, 30, 35, 35.
If he signs a 4-year deal this summer, his next contract comes in summer 2028, and his next 4 years starting this summer would be at 30, 30, 30, 30.

Is "we have a way to get you a supermax sooner" a feasible way to land an extend-and-trade with PS, if he's on the trade market?

(01-05-2024, 11:07 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I did see the other day that Dallas is the betting odds-on favorite to get him. I tend to think there are reasons behind money movement like that.

(01-05-2024, 11:14 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: If we want Siakam, let's hope it's insider trading.  

(01-04-2024, 06:34 PM)surfpuckmd Wrote: I would hate to trade Kyrie for Reaves and Hachimura and a first.  That would be almost as bad as the Porzingis trade.

(01-05-2024, 11:20 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Which one.

(01-05-2024, 11:24 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: The FIRST one was the mistake, not the second. 

They're STILL paying down the first one.

(01-05-2024, 11:43 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: I must disagree violently.

The Wizards stole him from us then the Celtics stole him from the Wizards.