(01-04-2024, 10:44 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: If it ends up being three outgoing players, Dallas would have a limited time to get back to 14...or as you suggest...could get someone else back from Toronto.  McDaniels (Duffy) would make sense as DJJ insurance next summer.  He can't buy a three to save his life this season.

Sending out THJ AND Green would be a tremendous vote of confidence for Hardy's future role here.  

Siakam is probably your Lively backup as well as the starting four in the playoffs.  Both McDaniels and DJJ are a bit undersized at the four which keeps a path open for significant future minutes for OMax.

(01-04-2024, 10:48 AM)omahen Wrote: I think Exum and DJJ would share remaining SG/SF minutes (Hardy and Seth can jump in when shooting is needed), creating a hole at the back-up PF. That is why I would like very much Boucher or McDaniels from Toronto. Maxi could of course also get some of those minutes.

(01-04-2024, 10:53 AM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Lebron is losing his patience with the Lakers. We interested in any trades that send Kyrie to LA?

(01-04-2024, 10:13 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I don't think FG's extension requirement is realistic.  But, I think getting PS is more likely to happen than it would be otherwise because Dallas might be willing to take the risk (again) of their acquisition walking on them.

(01-04-2024, 11:21 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Mavs get: Siakam, OPJ, McDaniels

Raptors get: THJ, GWill, Green, Holmes and Raptors 2025 2nd goes back to them giving them all their own picks

Raptors would be getting some solid depth. THJ/Holmes which are the worst players would be expiring. Green/GWill are solid guys to have long term. If they are serious about getting good players back and competing then they should consider this. The OG trade IMO is proof that they want the players over picks

Forwards and Bigs- Defenders
Lively/Siakam/Maxi
Siakam/McDaniels/DJJ/Maxi
DJJ/McDaniels/OPJ

Guards and Scorers- Offenders
Kyrie/Seth/Hardy
Luka/Exum

(01-04-2024, 11:42 AM)omahen Wrote: I am really hyped about the prospect of getting Siakam. I understand he is not a perfect fit for a Luka centric offense, but it gives Mavs ability to further move on from that type of play and become far more diversified.

(01-04-2024, 11:45 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, there are things about the fit I don't love, but I'm getting there, too. I think it's the way to go, if possible. 

I just really hope O-Max is still here afterwards.

(01-04-2024, 11:45 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, there are things about the fit I don't love, but I'm getting there, too. I think it's the way to go, if possible. 

I just really hope O-Max is still here afterwards.

(01-04-2024, 10:13 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: 1 I don't think FG's extension requirement is realistic. 

2 Inevitably the DJJ thing comes up any time we talk about a big dollar guy like Siakam.  Green/GWill/THJ is $41mm or so next season which probably keeps us around the tax give or take a million or two depending on what Siakam signs for. 

(01-04-2024, 10:53 AM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Lebron is losing his patience with the Lakers. We interested in any trades that send Kyrie to LA?

(01-04-2024, 05:04 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Every bone in my body screams trade, because of age/timeline, injury and mental health concerns. We are also 9-7 without him, 11-8 with him. So like on his previous recent teams there is not much on-court impact on overall winning. With or without him, for the most part, we beat shitty teams and lose to good teams.

That being said on paper the return will look so underwhelming, that I can hear people moan through my screen already.

Say the core of the deal is Irving for Reaves, Hachimura + Lakers 1st.

Would you trade Reaves/Hachimura for Dinwiddie/DFS? That´s basically what it comes down to. 

On the other hand the Lakers could free up three 1st round picks, if they re-acquire their pick to Utah. Say Hachimura to Utah for their 1st back and suddenly they have a lot more options.

(01-04-2024, 05:20 PM)mvossman Wrote: I think the biggest pro Kyrie argument is that we are running Luka into the ground when he is out.  

If talking about sending Kyrie to LA, I think it would need to be a three way.

(01-03-2024, 09:30 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Here’s a stab at it:

GSW gets THJ, Holmes and Hardy
Utah gets Moody
Dallas gets Wiggins and Olynyk


Saw a GSW site that outlined trades for Wiggins and they had GS giving up assets with Wiggins in all of their deals.  Their idea was Holmes/THJ for Wiggins/Moody.  I simply added Hardy (because of the posted trade rumor) and sent Moody to Utah and Olynyk to Dallas.

Lively/Olynyk
DJJ/GWill
Wiggins
Kyrie/Green
Luka/Exum

(01-04-2024, 05:04 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Every bone in my body screams trade, because of age/timeline, injury and mental health concerns. We are also 9-7 without him, 11-8 with him. So like on his previous recent teams there is not much on-court impact on overall winning. With or without him, for the most part, we beat shitty teams and lose to good teams.

That being said on paper the return will look so underwhelming, that I can hear people moan through my screen already.

Say the core of the deal is Irving for Reaves, Hachimura + Lakers 1st.

Would you trade Reaves/Hachimura for Dinwiddie/DFS? That´s basically what it comes down to. 

On the other hand the Lakers could free up three 1st round picks, if they re-acquire their pick to Utah. Say Hachimura to Utah for their 1st back and suddenly they have a lot more options.

(01-04-2024, 02:31 PM)F Gump Wrote: 1 What do you mean by "realistic"? It's my assessment that Siakam is too risky of a trade, with Philly looming to snatch him away in the summer. This would not be a Kyrie scenario, where the primary expected competition has no cap room.

The only way to avoid that is to require an extension. So I would make that part of the deal OR would just not trade for him. Seems way more realistic to me than paying a bunch of assets for a half-season rental and then very likely ending up with nothing. One more thing -- if you don't take that stance, you won't get to see how much staying in Dallas might interest him, before trading for him.

2 Your math is off. Trading $41M and then signing Siakam to a max $42.6M diminishes your room under the apron by about $5M, because of the 3-for-1 aspect. You end up broadly in the area of the TxpMLE of $5.2M. If you think that will be enough left for DJJ, ok, but I have huge doubts.

Of course, if Siakam walks as a FA, problem solved!

(01-04-2024, 07:26 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Of course it isn’t realistic.  Siakam is very clearly not settling for two years when he can wait a few months and lock in 2-3 more.  His people have been very public about this.  So, your requirement is unrealistic…it won’t happen.  I’m willing to invite you over to my house, but I “require” you give me $1.0 million first.  It is the same as asking Siakam to forfeit $100mm to meet your “requirement”.

Here, I very clearly wasn’t trying to nail down an exact number…thus the words “give or take a million or two”.  First, we don’t know that Siakam will get his full max.  Kyrie didn’t.  Second, we don’t know that Dallas will carry 15.  Third, I mentioned a way to get another additional space under the apron.  Your $5.2mm number supposes a very specific set of answers to several questions that we don’t have answers for.