(12-31-2023, 05:20 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: How much of a trade spread can we take on before we are taxpayers?

Mavs get Siakam

Raps get Omax, THJ, Holmes, Hardy

No picks

IMO, that’s a similar package to what the Knicks gave up for OG

(12-31-2023, 05:09 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It's not really clear from this what the "Mavs chatter" is. 

Is there speculation from a reasonable source that the Mavs are interested in Siakim, or is that you applying the info about ATL to our working knowledge of the Mavs' circumstances?

(12-31-2023, 06:48 PM)Winter Wrote: I think if there's any way Siakam could give us a hint that he would want to resign with the Mavs, then you try and find a way. I've said before, Doncic has a shelf-life. You can't waste this opportunity. If people have been waiting on a A-caliber wing, he's probably it. It's not like we're going to see others of his caliber come up in a trade possibility. His only downside is his 3-point percentage, but he does a lot of everything else. The Mavs would be a backup center away from contention.

I can't believe it wouldn't cost a draft pick, but I'm not resistant to that. We just need the right package.

(12-31-2023, 07:35 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Even more than Luka, Kyrie has a shelf life.  Siakam is a champion, an all-star and an all-NBA player.  He went to HS in Lewisville FWIW.  Killer is going to have a tough time convincing me that we can’t win with Siakam in place of THJ.

I also think Omahen is wise to point out there might be urgency for the new ownership.  Dallas has a history of taking chances of trading for guys who are free to leave after we trade for them.

(12-31-2023, 07:39 PM)Winter Wrote: I can image Philadelphia would be out in front of this though, so "dark-horse" sounds about right.

(12-19-2023, 06:05 PM)mvossman Wrote: One final thought on the THJ/Holmes+first for Bojan/Stewart, doesn't that add roughly 7 mil to the cap sheet next year?  Wouldn't that make it more difficult to sign DJJ to an exception?  I realize that a lot can happen between now and then, but DJJ being a potential casualty would be another concern for me.

(12-31-2023, 07:54 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: What young talent would Philly be sending?

(12-31-2023, 09:11 PM)Winter Wrote: I was thinking more about Phillie's expiring contracts (Covington, Batum, Beverly, Morris) and picks more than their talent. However, I am not one that feels confident about projecting what teams actually want. Dallas may, in fact, have young talent Toronto might actually want.

(12-31-2023, 07:15 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Jake Weinbach of Hoops Habit and some Milwaukee site.  He says Dallas is a dark-horse to land Siakam.  Package is Holmes, THJ, Green and first round pick.

(12-30-2023, 05:52 PM)Knutsen Wrote: Would you go all-in for Siakam?

„All-in“ meaning trading all our assets, the 27 pick, Green, Hardy and anything else that could have value with the exception of Luka, Kyrie and Lively.

Question for me is if a team of

Kyrie
Exum
Luka
Siakam
Lively

can win the title this year?

(12-31-2023, 05:09 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It's not really clear from this what the "Mavs chatter" is. 

Is there speculation from a reasonable source that the Mavs are interested in Siakim, or is that you applying the info about ATL to our working knowledge of the Mavs' circumstances?

(12-31-2023, 07:54 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: What young talent would Philly be sending?

(01-01-2024, 05:33 AM)omahen Wrote: Philly doesn't need to trade for him. They can just sign him in summer. Rumors Siakam wants to be there because of old coach and countryman Embiid. Their easiest way to do it would be SnT and operate over the cap, which would keep their flexibility for further trades. Of course Toronto could be open to a similar deal at TDL, but can't expect much from Philly. If Siakam really wants to go there, they have all the leverage. Expiring contracts and pick is what they can get from Philly imho.

(01-01-2024, 09:17 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: This seems to be the crux of it all. Is this an OG situation where he’s going to sign with Philly no matter what if Toronto doesn’t give him supermax? If so then we should be out. All Philly can really offer is expirings and they have LAC 2028 unprotected and their own 2030 unprotected. If this is what it is then Toronto should take the deal, but it sure seems like Toronto would rather have players than picks. Picks that far away don’t do anything for the Barnes/Barrett/Quickly/Poeltl core they’ve already invested heavily in

It’s a similar situation to Kyrie. If we know we can re-sign him then perhaps we can pay rental prices for a long term investment. Siakam(29) and Kyrie(31) would be on a similar timeline. This iteration of the Luka Era mavs would run it’s course and then we build another team after Luka’s extension kicks in 

There’s Luka, Kyrie, Kidd, Nico…..that’s a strong team of player friendly recruiters we haven’t had in the past (Dirk, Cuban, Rick, Donnie was so weak). There’s Siakam ties to Texas. Siakam and Omax have the same agent. Omax was born in Canada (same as Barrett) and his folks are former Canadian basketball players. Omax could be the best asset on the table for Toronto, so they could have motivation. Omax alone is a strong offer after Toronto did us the favor of waiting too long to trade their guys

The basketball fit is there. Siakam checks all the major boxes of size, toughness, defense, rebounding, offense generation for self, offense generation for others. The biggest warts are the 3pt shooting and the contract size he will demand(max). Luckily we have new owners with deep pockets and if it makes basketball sense to go deep over the 2nd apron for a bit, then we have that ability. 

The cost for a comprable player like Jerami Grant seems like it would be higher. This doesn’t feel desperate or rushed. Feels more opportunistic if the price is low enough.