(12-29-2023, 07:09 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I have been against it as well and would prefer to use my assets on a wing to finish up the roster.   Look for a cheap backup in the offseason or by small trade.

But with Toronto going nowhere and a lot of big money decisions, I wonder what they do.   There isn't a lot of demand for a Center making 20 million per year for the next 3-4 years.  Especially one not playing well.   So, I wonder if you could get him at a discount?   Dealing with Toronto is a nightmare though.   Plus, they would have to deal with blow back from potentially giving the Spurs their pick this year for the Poetl trade.   I could make the case that Poetl may be more attractive than Cappella in Dallas.   Not sure where I fall on that argument though.   

What if the Cost was Holmes plus Hardy and salary?  Would you do that?   The issue is the Mavs are pretty limited on what they can offer....or better what they want to offer.  With no expiring, teams need to hold their nose a little for the packages we would be offering.

(12-30-2023, 05:52 PM)Knutsen Wrote: Would you go all-in for Siakam?

„All-in“ meaning trading all our assets, the 27 pick, Green, Hardy and anything else that could have value with the exception of Luka, Kyrie and Lively.

Question for me is if a team of

Kyrie
Exum
Luka
Siakam
Lively

can win the title this year?

(12-30-2023, 05:57 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Grant Williams for DFS.  would you?  All for discussion as I don't think Nets make that move.  Dallas may not either. 

Hypothetical, if KP stayed in Washington and was playing good ball, would he be someone you offered multiple firsts for?

(12-30-2023, 05:57 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Grant Williams for DFS.  would you?  All for discussion as I don't think Nets make that move.  Dallas may not either. 

(12-30-2023, 05:52 PM)Knutsen Wrote: Would you go all-in for Siakam?

„All-in“ meaning trading all our assets, the 27 pick, Green, Hardy and anything else that could have value with the exception of Luka, Kyrie and Lively.

Question for me is if a team of

Kyrie
Exum
Luka
Siakam
Lively

can win the title this year?

(12-30-2023, 05:52 PM)Knutsen Wrote: Would you go all-in for Siakam?

„All-in“ meaning trading all our assets, the 27 pick, Green, Hardy and anything else that could have value with the exception of Luka, Kyrie and Lively.

Question for me is if a team of

Kyrie
Exum
Luka
Siakam
Lively

can win the title this year?

(12-30-2023, 07:15 PM)HoosierDaddyKidd Wrote: Who's coming off the bench? That's a big part of what makes a team contenders.

(12-30-2023, 05:57 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Grant Williams for DFS.  would you?  All for discussion as I don't think Nets make that move.  Dallas may not either. 

Hypothetical, if KP stayed in Washington and was playing good ball, would he be someone you offered multiple firsts for?

(12-31-2023, 04:17 AM)GATA Wrote: I would do anything in our power to offload Irving.  Guy is a total cancer.  We are better without him.

(12-31-2023, 11:04 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Kyrie is many things but as a Mav he has been on his best behaviour and seems to be beloved by his teammates. There is a noticable different when it comes to the locker room vibes compared to last season. Not exactly what you would expect after the addition of a "total cancer".
He is injury-prone but his most recent injury was more of a freak accident. Things like that happen.
It's fair to point out that compared to previous seasons his on court production hasn't been as good. Worst scoring volume+efficiency since 16/17. He started the season ice cold from three. Followed by a stretch of games where his inbetween game was off. His midrange percentages are way below his career averages. We haven't seen the best version of Kyrie this season.
That said. He is still easily the best 2nd option the Mavs had since Luka entered the league.

Overall I wasn't a fan of the trade. Still think that they made a desperation move and that waiting for a better fitting piece would have been the better option. For the remaining Luka/Kyrie days the Mavs will have to find ways to balance out their defensive short comings. Looking at the current roster that makes it nearly impossible to pair them with players like THJ or Hardy.
The recent stretch without Kyrie really showed how much better the defense can be if Luka is paired with better athlets like Exum or DJJ.

I wouldn't oppose a deal that sends out Kyrie for a better two-way player but due to his age and off court history his on court value greatly exceeds his trade value. Making it nearly impossible to find a replacement that isn't a big talent downgrade.

Just to get an opinion. Rumors are linking the Lakers to Dejounte Murray. Would anyone be willing to give up Kyrie and a minor asset to get involved in a Murray trade. Reunite Kyrie and LeBron in LA. Land Murray and hope that he can be an even better version of Exum.

(12-31-2023, 11:04 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Kyrie is many things but as a Mav he has been on his best behaviour and seems to be beloved by his teammates. There is a noticable different when it comes to the locker room vibes compared to last season. Not exactly what you would expect after the addition of a "total cancer".
He is injury-prone but his most recent injury was more of a freak accident. Things like that happen.
It's fair to point out that compared to previous seasons his on court production hasn't been as good. Worst scoring volume+efficiency since 16/17. He started the season ice cold from three. Followed by a stretch of games where his inbetween game was off. His midrange percentages are way below his career averages. We haven't seen the best version of Kyrie this season.
That said. He is still easily the best 2nd option the Mavs had since Luka entered the league.

Overall I wasn't a fan of the trade. Still think that they made a desperation move and that waiting for a better fitting piece would have been the better option. For the remaining Luka/Kyrie days the Mavs will have to find ways to balance out their defensive short comings. Looking at the current roster that makes it nearly impossible to pair them with players like THJ or Hardy.
The recent stretch without Kyrie really showed how much better the defense can be if Luka is paired with better athlets like Exum or DJJ.

I wouldn't oppose a deal that sends out Kyrie for a better two-way player but due to his age and off court history his on court value greatly exceeds his trade value. Making it nearly impossible to find a replacement that isn't a big talent downgrade.

Just to get an opinion. Rumors are linking the Lakers to Dejounte Murray. Would anyone be willing to give up Kyrie and a minor asset to get involved in a Murray trade. Reunite Kyrie and LeBron in LA. Land Murray and hope that he can be an even better version of Exum.

(12-31-2023, 04:13 PM)omahen Wrote: Some chatter about Mavs appearing. Lots of chatter Atlanta wants Siakam, but he doesn't want to resign with them. Real danger is Philly and their cap space in the summer. According to some unconfirmed rumors, Toronto wants Bogdanovic and Jalen Johnson in return. Bogdanovic is stat wise very similar to THJ. Same age and similar yearly salary, but a year longer contract (and another year with team option). Not sure if that is an advantage or disadvantage in Toronto case. Both players would bring much needed shooting to Toronto and likely be their starting SG (Quickley-THJ-Barrett-Barnes_Poeltl). Johnson has a breakout season with roughly 14 ppg in his third year in the league, but would sort of overlap with their franchise hopeful Barnes. Mavs don't have anything similar to offer, Green might be closest to that.

So, if Atlanta really wants Siakam and puts on the table everything Toronto wants, they can outbid Mavs. But, would they really want to give up everything for what can only be a 6 months rental?

(12-31-2023, 05:20 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: How much of a trade spread can we take on before we are taxpayers?

Mavs get Siakam

Raps get Omax, THJ, Holmes, Hardy

No picks

IMO, that’s a similar package to what the Knicks gave up for OG