(12-19-2023, 01:31 PM)mvossman Wrote: If he could be had for cheap, I would be on board.  Most of the proposals regarding him involve adding a first.  Are you willing to go there?

(12-20-2023, 04:00 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: No I wouldn't be going there. Very few role players are worth a 1st alone. Especially not bench guys. I'd be fine for 2 2nds.

Holmes+2 2nds for Stewart feels fair. Probably could even get away with one 2nd. 

If DET wants the 2027 first, they'd have to throw in Thompson. I'd give them Green+Hardy and the unprotected 2027 first for that addition.

Of course that's unrealistic. But that's the value I'm pegging our 2027 1st with.

(12-20-2023, 04:09 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Would anyone consider Stewart/Hayes for Holmes/Hardy/2nds. Both players could benefit from a change of scenery. Hardy would be free to chuck away on a bad team. Hayes wouldn't have to carry as big of a playmaking load on offense. Focus on point of attack defense. Make some easy reads as a secondary playmaker.

(12-20-2023, 09:59 AM)mvossman Wrote: If Hayes doesn't work out (the most likely scenario) you let him walk, which takes care of most the extra cap from Stewart's extension.  So its basically a Hardy for Stewart trade.  I probably don't do that a couple of days ago, but folks on here are turning me around on Stewart.

(12-20-2023, 09:59 AM)mvossman Wrote: If Hayes doesn't work out (the most likely scenario) you let him walk, which takes care of most the extra cap from Stewart's extension.  So its basically a Hardy for Stewart trade.  I probably don't do that a couple of days ago, but folks on here are turning me around on Stewart.

(12-20-2023, 10:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: That's how I look at it also.  Hardy and a second for Stewart (with next year's money largely a wash with Holmes and Hardy gone and presuming you don't keep Hayes...or sign him to a minimum).  With the emergence of Exum, Hardy's path is difficult here behind Exum, Green and THJ.  Also who is the higher priority for developmental minutes....OMax or Hardy?  There are only so many of those types of minutes to go around.  Hardy for Stewart moves assets from a position of abundance to a position of need.

Hayes is one of the worst offensive players in the league.  He has no right hand and no outside shot.  He moves the ball well and plays decent D.  Lots of similarities to Frankie Smokes (who is now a minimum wage guy).  I don't have an issue giving him a tryout for a few months, but expectations are low.  I do think something I mentioned in a previous post is kind of cool...Hayes's dad and Lively's mom were at Penn State at the same time for a good bit of their collegiate careers.

(12-20-2023, 11:15 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: It's kinda fascinating how we casually talk about trying out a player, but letting him walk if he doesn't work out.

...but, oh!, the moaning and complaining that went on when we tried out Christian Wood, he didn't work out, and we let him walk!

(12-20-2023, 12:06 PM)omahen Wrote: Not sure where it was written that Detroit is looking to move Stewart. The news I posted stated that some teams, Mavs included, showed great interest in Stewart. But, perhaps I overlooked something.

Detroit has a very low payroll and very clean payroll moving forward. Zero necessity to dump salary. Stewart is their starter, so is Hayes, both of course starters on worst team in the league. I think there is little chance they would consider moving them for a negative contract like Holmes (third centre at best on Mavs), prospect like Hardy and a couple of second rounders. The move makes them worse in the short term and gives them very little hope (assets) to improve moving forward. If it is available, I would make the deal for sure. Just don't see it.

Personally, I don't have interest in the package if the cost is 2027 pick. Stewart is ok, young and can develop and I always liked his style of play (lots of energy, aggresive). But, I think he is a fringe starter at best. Mavs imho need third best player, not another fringe starter. Mavs goals should be set at better players, if they want to build a contender. So, be patient and save assets for the right move. I don't think this is it.

(12-19-2023, 01:31 PM)mvossman Wrote: If he could be had for cheap, I would be on board.  Most of the proposals regarding him involve adding a first.  Are you willing to go there?

(12-20-2023, 03:46 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: The proposal I made did not have any picks attached, leaving it up to the reader to finish out the remainder of the compensation. Dan and I agreed that WE would be willing to give up the 27, before that conversation though I said 2 SRPs would be too little, but maybe 1 or 2 pick swaps does it.

Like I said, you guys go CRAZY once the 27 is a glimmer of a thought. It’s mine, my precious.

(12-20-2023, 04:35 PM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: Why is it going CRAZY to say you wouldn’t trade the pick for Stewart? There are some people that would, and some who wouldn’t. For me, it would depend on the parameters (what protections on the pick, what salary and how much we are dumping) but I would lean towards “no.” Essentially because I want us to save assets for the elusive 3rd best player— preferably a big wing aka our very own Aaron Gordon. And I’d like to keep Omax (especially) and Green while doing that, if possible.

It’s not a non-starter for me to deal the ‘27. And I like Stewart. But would probably want someone more skilled to include ‘27, unless the protections were quite favorable or the savings created allowed for more maneuvering. Or some combination of both.

(12-20-2023, 03:31 PM)loki Wrote: After some very detailed analysis (watching a few highlight videos) it seems that Stewart has absolutely no touch around the basket. He's only shooting 54% within 5 ft of the rim so far this year. Not sure that's going to cut it with Luka.

Some pretty ugly misses here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRZpcXmjgqQ

(12-20-2023, 04:09 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Would anyone consider Stewart/Hayes for Holmes/Hardy/2nds. Both players could benefit from a change of scenery. Hardy would be free to chuck away on a bad team. Hayes wouldn't have to carry as big of a playmaking load on offense. Focus on point of attack defense. Make some easy reads as a secondary playmaker.

(12-20-2023, 05:03 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Because of all the hyperbole and attacks that ensue after the mention. The person I quoted on multiple occasions talks about the trade proposed as being the first for Stewart, which is hardly the case.

I proposed THJ/Maxi for Bojan/Stewart. I then agreed with Dan about including the first in the deal. Here’s why:

Getting THJ off the roster reopens the possibility of making another WCF run (like it did last time). Getting off Maxi’s 3 injury prone years of contract is a plus as well. We then add Bojan who while I am not a big fan of, he brings so much more than THJ, namely being a bigger body to help make up for our lack of size on top of his much more versatile offense.

Our defense has to become one that protects the paint since having Kyrie and Luka makes it neigh impossible to defend the perimeter well. Bojan makes the paint more “tree-like” as opposed to THJ.

The benefits of getting Stewart has been covered fairly well.