(12-18-2023, 11:09 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: The thing that I'm most interested in is the THJ for Bojan part of this.  I don't want to pay an unprotected first for that, but if I can fill another hole simultaneously, I'm willing to talk.  Someone like Stewart at age 22 gives you someone who will still be contributing when that pick is made (Bojan won't, but he'd help tremendously in the here and now).

As I was reading what you wrote above I was thinking that the same could be largely said about GWill.  People cite him as a small-ball five, but he's not a rim protector and not great on the perimeter defensively either.  If you consider Williams and Stewart to be a wash defensively (and I'm not sure that's true) you are basically trading Stewart's rebounding and beef for GWill's higher 3%.  

I'm not saying you are wrong.  In fact, your last sentence is well put.  We just won't know what he looks like here until he's here.  The stink of being on a Detroit team is pervasive.  Stewart is rated as a good defender and his first two years he had a block rate higher than Maxi's best two years (and we consider Maxi a rim protector).  If he can hit 37% of his 3's, he can absolutely play next to Lively.   But, I'm not paying an unprotected pick for Stewart.  I'm paying the pick because I get the Bojan upgrade AND Stewart.

(12-19-2023, 10:04 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I was with you all the way til the end.  I would start either DJJ or Exum with Stewart and push GWill to the bench.

(12-19-2023, 10:28 AM)mvossman Wrote: Bogan is a better offense player and would make the offense better, and he is bigger and we need more size, but what we really need is defense and rebounding and Bojan doesn't really provide either.  I mean I would be fine with swapping the two, but I'm not interested in sending out significant assets to do it.  We would still be a very good offensive team that has major issues with defense and rebounding and not that much closer to contending.

(12-19-2023, 10:04 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I was with you all the way til the end.  I would start either DJJ or Exum with Stewart and push GWill to the bench.

Which brings up an interesting question.  If we had Stewart on this team already and someone proposed a trade for Boston's backup 4/3 (some guy named Grant Williams).  He's a bit undersized (especially next to our skinny rookie center), but he hits a high percentage of corner 3's.  Do we make that deal?  Having seen the GWill show for two months now, I probably stick with the bigger guy who rebounds (and probably defends) better.

(12-19-2023, 10:47 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Yeah, there is a number out there that when we hold teams under 120 D-Rating we are undefeated (120 is basically the worst team in the league defensively).

The question is how you get there.  The major difference between Bojan and THJ is Bojan is a creator for himself and for others and you aren't giving up anything in terms of 3 point shooting.  If you have any two of Luka, Kyrie and Bojan on the floor, you can run 3 defenders at the other positions.  You can't say that for THJ as he shoots, but requires another ball handler to be on the floor if you want two of them.

So, pick any two of the ball handlers (Luka, Kyrie or Bojan) and a center (Lively for 30 and Stewart for 18?) and then you have some combo of Exum, Green, DJJ, OMax, GWill and maybe 12 minutes from Stewart as the starting PF.  That's a lot of bodies occupying the two defensive wing roles.  I think this helps the defense even if Bojan and THJ are dead even as bad defenders.  It is the expansion of the offensive role that Bojan accomplishes that makes the D better, not Bojan the defender IMHO.

(12-19-2023, 10:50 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: Dinwiddie - 24 GP, 28 MIN, 10.6 FGA, 49.8 FG%, 40.4 3FG%, 3.1 REB, 3.9 AST, 15.8 PTS

Exum - 7 GP, 29.7 MIN, 9.6 FGA, 64.2 FG%, 57.7 3FG%, 3.9 REB, 4.6 AST, 16.1 PTS

(12-19-2023, 11:12 AM)Winter Wrote: I think the Mavs will do something soon to acquire a big.

Every game without Lively feels like a disaster... and no "fix" is in sight. We have no personnel to replace him.

(12-19-2023, 12:15 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Maxi Kleber for the last 2 years and 5 games of this season:
- 32.5% on 4.3 attempts with 1.0 Blks/game
- 34.8% on 3 attempts with .8 Blks/game
- 33.3% on 1.8 attempts with .2 Blks/game

Maxi is touted around here as a floor spacer and rim protector. For his career, he is a .9 blk/gm player and a 35.8% 3 shooter on 3.4 attempts. He’s been focused on shooting the 3 for 5 years going on 6 now.

Stewart’s first 2 1/2ish years in the league was as the starting C for the Pistons until Duren took over the spot so Stewart was utilized as the starting PF where he focused on putting up more volume 3’s. So, last season and this are the sample size of his 3 shooting while his career blocks should be the standard to see how he does in the PF/C spot he would occupy here.
For his career, he’s a 1 blk/gm guy.
Last year and so far this year he’s:
- 32.7% on 4.1 attempts
- 36.7% on 3.6 attempts

We’re currently seeing that type of increase in DJJ’s shot and look what is being said about him around here.

The guy is physical and is a good rebounder. I think he possesses all the things this team is missing and he fits in a role we desperately need for the playoffs.

(12-19-2023, 12:15 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Maxi Kleber for the last 2 years and 5 games of this season:
- 32.5% on 4.3 attempts with 1.0 Blks/game
- 34.8% on 3 attempts with .8 Blks/game
- 33.3% on 1.8 attempts with .2 Blks/game

Maxi is touted around here as a floor spacer and rim protector. For his career, he is a .9 blk/gm player and a 35.8% 3 shooter on 3.4 attempts. He’s been focused on shooting the 3 for 5 years going on 6 now.

Stewart’s first 2 1/2ish years in the league was as the starting C for the Pistons until Duren took over the spot so Stewart was utilized as the starting PF where he focused on putting up more volume 3’s. So, last season and this are the sample size of his 3 shooting while his career blocks should be the standard to see how he does in the PF/C spot he would occupy here.
For his career, he’s a 1 blk/gm guy.
Last year and so far this year he’s:
- 32.7% on 4.1 attempts
- 36.7% on 3.6 attempts

We’re currently seeing that type of increase in DJJ’s shot and look what is being said about him around here.

The guy is physical and is a good rebounder. I think he possesses all the things this team is missing and he fits in a role we desperately need for the playoffs.

(12-19-2023, 12:48 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Don't disagree but would add that the main reason many of us (and the Mavs) valued Kleber was/is his ability to switch at least 2-5. Looking back at the Mavs last few runs we had multiple playoff series where Kleber was the best wing/forward defender on the roster. I think Stewart isn't quite as quick on the perimeter but still above average for a big.
I really like Stewart as a versatile center. Not the biggest fan of him as a PF. But Lively isn't going to play 40mpg and tends to be in foul trouble. Mavs probably have at least 15-20 backup center minutes available. Against bigger opponents both can share the floor for a couple of minutes. That would put Stewart in the 20-25 minutes range. How much are we willing to give up for another rotation piece that would be an upgrade over the current backups bigs but probably not good enough to be a clear-cut starter?

(12-19-2023, 12:15 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Maxi Kleber for the last 2 years and 5 games of this season:
- 32.5% on 4.3 attempts with 1.0 Blks/game
- 34.8% on 3 attempts with .8 Blks/game
- 33.3% on 1.8 attempts with .2 Blks/game

Maxi is touted around here as a floor spacer and rim protector. For his career, he is a .9 blk/gm player and a 35.8% 3 shooter on 3.4 attempts. He’s been focused on shooting the 3 for 5 years going on 6 now.

Stewart’s first 2 1/2ish years in the league was as the starting C for the Pistons until Duren took over the spot so Stewart was utilized as the starting PF where he focused on putting up more volume 3’s. So, last season and this are the sample size of his 3 shooting while his career blocks should be the standard to see how he does in the PF/C spot he would occupy here.
For his career, he’s a 1 blk/gm guy.
Last year and so far this year he’s:
- 32.7% on 4.1 attempts
- 36.7% on 3.6 attempts

We’re currently seeing that type of increase in DJJ’s shot and look what is being said about him around here.

The guy is physical and is a good rebounder. I think he possesses all the things this team is missing and he fits in a role we desperately need for the playoffs.

(12-19-2023, 01:23 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I'm sold on Stewart, especially if he can be had for cheap. The real prize on the Pistons is Ausar Thompson. I'm willing to throw the farm for that dude. He's not a franchise player by any means and the Pistons are currently reeling. There is no shot they would trade him, but who knows?

(12-19-2023, 12:48 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Don't disagree but would add that the main reason many of us (and the Mavs) valued Kleber was/is his ability to switch at least 2-5. Looking back at the Mavs last few runs we had multiple playoff series where Kleber was the best wing/forward defender on the roster. I think Stewart isn't quite as quick on the perimeter but still above average for a big.
I really like Stewart as a versatile center. Not the biggest fan of him as a PF. But Lively isn't going to play 40mpg and tends to be in foul trouble. Mavs probably have at least 15-20 backup center minutes available. Against bigger opponents both can share the floor for a couple of minutes. That would put Stewart in the 20-25 minutes range. How much are we willing to give up for another rotation piece that would be an upgrade over the current backups bigs but probably not good enough to be a clear-cut starter?