(12-18-2023, 05:32 AM)omahen Wrote: From the article:

Other note: Contending teams like Boston, Oklahoma City and Dallas have shown great interest in Isaiah Stewart, league sources tell The Athletic.

https://theathletic.com/5142623/2023/12/18/detroit-pistons-trade-scenarios/

(12-17-2023, 12:40 PM)surfpuckmd Wrote: After our success with Dante Exum, I was looking through the EuroLeague leaders to see if there might be a center who could solve our backup big problem.  I have rediscovered Georgios Papagiannis and think he could be our next Dante Exum.

You may recall him as the player Vlade Divac drafted 13th overall in 2016.  This was considered a massive reach at the time and Divac was slammed for this.  Papagiannis was cut less than 2 years later and was considered one of the bigger draft busts of the decade.

Fast forward to 2022.  Papagiannis actually led the EuroLeague in blocks in 2022.  He lead the EuroLeague in rebounds in 2022.  He is 7'2" and 270 lbs.  He has a 7'6" wingspan.  He's probably big enough to provide some resistance to Jokic.  He also moves remarkably well for a player that size. 

Skeptics might say that he will kill our spacing on offense.  Prior to 2022-2023, they would have been correct.  However, he discovered the 3-point shot in 2022-2023.  This season in EuroLeague he's shooting at 55.6% from 3!  That's only in 11 games though.  Last season he shot 48.6% from 3 in EuroLeague and 56.7% in the Greek league.  That was on a total of 67 attempts last season.  Those numbers are really impressive for a giant human being.  

He seems to check every box possible in what we need in a backup center.  He's also only 26.  I think a contract similar to the Dante Exum deal would be extremely wise.  I'd actually really like to sign him to a 3-year deal at slightly above the max if we still have part of the MLE available.  Backup center problem solved.

(12-18-2023, 08:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote:  
He's Poison Pill and there isn't a direct one for one trade on the Mav's that works.  Maxi misses by a couple hundred grand.  So, it would need to involve more players (Holmes or Maxi plus a minor contract works).   

(12-17-2023, 03:16 PM)surfpuckmd Wrote: 7'7"" wingspan.  I'm in.  How do we submit our ideas to Nico Harrison?

(12-18-2023, 05:32 AM)omahen Wrote: From the article:

Other note: Contending teams like Boston, Oklahoma City and Dallas have shown great interest in Isaiah Stewart, league sources tell The Athletic.

https://theathletic.com/5142623/2023/12/18/detroit-pistons-trade-scenarios/

(12-18-2023, 08:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: The article goes through many of the same names that get thrown around here (PJ Washington, Collins and J. Grant).  They are fan proposed deals, so they don't send nearly enough value out (Grant and Thybulle for expirings and 3 seconds?).  Detroit, unlike Dallas has cap room in the summer, so OG and Tobias are also on the radar (sound familiar?).

I like the idea of Stewart as he could back up Lively and GWill (and possibly compete to start at PF).  All of these PF candidates have warts and he isn't perfect either.  You definitely have to project what he would be here.  But, he's 22, plays with force and is getting better from deep (on a team with no spacing).  He's shown signs in past years that he might be an average NBA player.  A PER of 15 and a WS/49 of .100 are in his past and he's been above average in EPM each of his four years (and actually good at D-EPM three of the four years).  

He's Poison Pill and there isn't a direct one for one trade on the Mav's that works.  Maxi misses by a couple hundred grand.  So, it would need to involve more players (Holmes or Maxi plus a minor contract works).  The other thing that has to be pointed out is that almost all the names that get mentioned for Detroit are an effort to replace Stewart's minutes at PF.  They have their Lively in Duran and consider him and Cunningham and Thompson and Ivey as their "core four".  Stewart is not in that "core".  The other thing to bear in mind when designing trades is Detroit has their version of Hardy in Ivey.  So, Hardy may not hold as much value to Detroit as he would to others (though, I think they really have a core 3...Duran, Cunningham and Thompson, but it is too early to bail on Ivey at this point with his value so diminished).

Quote:The asking price for Lauri Markkanen could be around ‘five-ish picks,’ per
@KevinOConnorNBA
“My impression from talking to teams is that it’s something resembling the haul the Jazz received for Mitchell and Gobert: so, five-ish firsts and/or players of comparable value.”

(12-18-2023, 12:08 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1736771375405162595



Danny Ainge at it again...

(12-18-2023, 12:08 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1736771375405162595



Danny Ainge at it again...

(12-18-2023, 04:01 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Stewart is pretty bad. He checks the measurement boxes so not opposed, just wouldn’t trade anything for him or pay him more than minimum.

(12-18-2023, 12:03 PM)Winter Wrote: Stewart has most of what Dallas needs statistically, and he's averaging 28 mpg. If we're trading Holmes, Maxi and a minor contract, that seems like a plus for us.

And of course, he chased LeBron around the court threatening to beat his ass. So there's that.

Link includes the video

https://www.forbes.com/sites/masonbissada/2021/11/22/lebron-james-isaiah-stewart-suspended-following-bloody-near-confrontation/?sh=29a376c6254e

(12-18-2023, 04:40 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I just have trouble finding a trade that works.    I did find it interesting last week that both Jaden and Holmes did not get off the bench.  Probably nothing but the Mavs were shorthanded.   Just sort of wondered if something was going on.   

Would Green and Hardy work?   Seems like too much, but would help with the toughness and rebounding.   I can't see a trade with Holmes or Maxi being the headline piece.    Found this interesting.  Loved the responses.  Sure is good when you are talking trades with players who are playing well.

https://twitter.com/KuKhahil/status/1736785100094804198

(12-18-2023, 04:56 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: THJ/Maxi for Bogi/Stewart works money-wise.

(12-18-2023, 04:56 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: THJ/Maxi for Bogi/Stewart works money-wise.

(12-18-2023, 05:01 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Cool.   I just don't see how that helps Detroit.  Who knows with Detroit though.   

Stewart is a young player on a long term contract.   Bogi has a shorter contract than Hardaway.    Seems like they could get better individual pieces if they traded both seperately.

(12-18-2023, 05:01 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Cool.   I just don't see how that helps Detroit.  Who knows with Detroit though.   

Stewart is a young player on a long term contract.   Bogi has a shorter contract than Hardaway.    Seems like they could get better individual pieces if they traded both seperately.