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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - IamDougieFresh - 12-12-2023 I tried to find footage of Dwight winning us a playoff game too, but for some reason I couldn't find it. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - KillerLeft - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 04:10 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: All fair points, the real question at this point around Maxi is how long to you wait around to know those things that you currently don't know? Well, you can kind of tell what their thought process is for the 4 spot, given that the Williams signing is rather overtly an attempt to acquire a younger Kleber. I think that's pretty obvious. I think if he were to get comfortable in the bigger role and Kleber were to get healthy and become even 80% of what he was in the WCF season, this thing would look a lot better, and frankly, it's looking better to me already than I expected. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - IamDougieFresh - 12-12-2023 You guys have any targets for "The Big Trade" this offseason? 2025 + 2027 + 2031 for who? RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - KillerLeft - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 04:20 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: You guys have any targets for "The Big Trade" this offseason? 2025 + 2027 + 2031 for who? Ask me again after the playoffs. That's what it will take to learn what the team needs, imho. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - IamDougieFresh - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 04:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Ask me again after the playoffs. That's what it will take to learn what the team needs, imho. KL gets it. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - ThisIStheYear - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 10:13 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I’m coming around to Collins or another player instead of standing pat or selling Reason 3: The Mavs have the best player in the conference, and he’s in his prime. Hell yes you go for it if the opportunity presents itself, though you can’t be outright reckles. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - KillerLeft - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 04:31 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Reason 3: The Mavs have the best player in the conference, and he’s in his prime. Hell yes you go for it if the opportunity presents itself, though you can’t be outright reckles. I guess that's what it all comes down to, nay? One observer's "opportunity" is another observer's "reckless." RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - mvossman - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 04:20 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: You guys have any targets for "The Big Trade" this offseason? 2025 + 2027 + 2031 for who? In an ideal world, we do a S&T for OG and only have to send out one first. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - mvossman - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 03:45 PM)juanc Wrote: https://twitter.com/Ben_Dowsett/status/1727748839392874759 I get that you can probably do a montage of poor defense on a lot of NBA players, and you have the added situation that he is on a bad team that is not competing for anything (other than probably draft picks eventually), but that looked bad. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - KillerLeft - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 04:47 PM)mvossman Wrote: I get that you can probably do a montage of poor defense on a lot of NBA players, and you have the added situation that he is on a bad team that is not competing for anything (other than probably draft picks eventually), but that looked bad. Yes, and it's also interesting how much BIGGER Grant looks in these clips. He's longer and thicker to my eye. Plays with more physicality, too. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - Scott41theMavs - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 04:41 PM)mvossman Wrote: In an ideal world, we do a S&T for OG and only have to send out one first. YES. This was going to be my precise answer to that question. An S&T for OG should only cost one pick, and then your war chest is still pretty full. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - Scott41theMavs - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 03:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: This was not that long ago. I understand and sympathize with your position, both in terms of Maxi's past value and the need to avoid making a wasteful trade. The rebuttal is that the past season and a half suggest that posting that video is like posting a video of prime Dirk. 41 ain't here no more, and the old Maxi hasn't been here for a while. He's actually starting to look like Mummy Dirk on D when he plays. The best thing to do is to take at least a month or two, not just to heal his current injury, but to work with the trainers and docs to get him as close to perfectly healthy - and conditioned - and up to speed - as possible, and then play him a few games before the deadline to see if he bears any distant resemblance to old Maxi. If not, then they might think they need to make a move. It would depend on how "desperate" they are to go for it this year. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - KillerLeft - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 03:56 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I don't think there's a fascination at all. It was simply a conversation about potential power forwards on the market and his name came up because it's not like there's a bunch out there. Pretty much everyone said they were out. Whoa, just saw this. You're telling me you don't think "fascination" is an appropriate term when applied to a player we've discussed almost nonstop for 4 years? What if I told you that he was overtly on the trade block for pretty much that entire time, had changed hands for way less than what was speculated to be the cost for him here, and the Mavs never really seemed that interested? I say again, I don't get it. Maybe that's because I'm dumb, but I'm just being honest. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - KillerLeft - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 05:49 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I understand and sympathize with your position, both in terms of Maxi's past value and the need to avoid making a wasteful trade. The rebuttal is that the past season and a half suggest that posting that video is like posting a video of prime Dirk. 41 ain't here no more, and the old Maxi hasn't been here for a while. He's actually starting to look like Mummy Dirk on D when he plays. It's possible he's done, yeah. I sure hope not. Honestly, if Williams gets going, it won't matter so much. If BOTH get going, things will get very interesting, I think. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 05:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Whoa, just saw this. You're telling me you don't think "fascination" is an appropriate term when applied to a player we've discussed almost nonstop for 4 years? What if I told you that he was overtly on the trade block for pretty much that entire time, had changed hands for way less than what was speculated to be the cost for him here, and the Mavs never really seemed that interested? There was certainly a lot of conversation last year that I remember for sure but this is the first conversation I've had about Collins on this board since he got traded and I was referring to just this conversation. Felt like the general consensus from everyone was that Collins on this roster may help a little but also that he isn't worth it because of the contract. It felt (feels) like you took that as everyone saying he should be a target which is how I interpreted "fascination". Maybe that's because I'm dumb. (12-12-2023, 04:14 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well, you can kind of tell what their thought process is for the 4 spot, given that the Williams signing is rather overtly an attempt to acquire a younger Kleber. I think that's pretty obvious. I think if he were to get comfortable in the bigger role and Kleber were to get healthy and become even 80% of what he was in the WCF season, this thing would look a lot better, and frankly, it's looking better to me already than I expected. You think Williams is here to fill Maxi's role and not DFS'? RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - KillerLeft - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 06:20 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: There was certainly a lot of conversation last year that I remember for sure but this is the first conversation I've had about Collins on this board since he got traded and I was referring to just this conversation. Felt like the general consensus from everyone was that Collins on this roster may help a little but also that he isn't worth it because of the contract. It felt (feels) like you took that as everyone saying he should be a target which is how I interpreted "fascination". You aren't dumb, pal. I don't think Collins would help. I think he's overrated and just the wrong type of guy, in general. (12-12-2023, 06:20 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: You think Williams is here to fill Maxi's role and not DFS'? Depends. If you mean DFS's role as the 4, then sure. Because O-Max is the future of the 4 position on this team. That's my bet, anyway. I think if we look back after about ten years of his career, it's possible he will have played more small ball 5 at that point than 3. That part is just a guess, though. He can definitely play some 3 for now, while he's young. He is PROTOTYPICALLY what I'd look for in a 4, however. Just a marvelous piece of the puzzle. He reminds me of Jerami Grant before he decided he needed to be a featured offensive player. Actually, O-Max might even be bigger/stronger/longer, but with the same quickness. I'm REALLY excited about his future. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 06:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: You aren't dumb, pal. Gotcha, I think there was definitely some overrating of Collins' in previous years (I had been guilty at times although I mostly saw him as a C Wood replacement that maybe Kidd would find more playable and not much more than that), I guess I just thought this last conversation was rating him a little more properly. I just didn't get the vibes that anyone here saw him as a savior or anything, just a potential piece to talk about, but maybe that was just the mentality I was bringing to the convo and I missed the noise around me. Agreed on all the OMax points. Hope the kid pans out. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - Jason Terry - 12-12-2023 I want to see several games in a row of Holmes as backup. Then Maxi comes back and can be added to the mix. If both of them fail we go to the buyout market and try one out. If that fails we could small ball it in the non-Lively minutes with maybe O-max as the big. Just try anything out that isn’t Powell. Then settle for Powell if all that fails. It was a breath of fresh air tonight to see him get a DNP RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - KillerLeft - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 11:13 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: I want to see several games in a row of Holmes as backup. Then Maxi comes back and can be added to the mix. If both of them fail we go to the buyout market and try one out. If that fails we could small ball it in the non-Lively minutes with maybe O-max as the big. Just try anything out that isn’t Powell. Then settle for Powell if all that fails. It was a breath of fresh air tonight to see him get a DNP I don't think you'll get your wish, friend. I feel like Kidd is settling into a matchup-based decision-making process with this. That's progress for you anti-Powell guys, right? RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Pacers want 2-way wing| Mavs interest in Capela "faded" - IamDougieFresh - 12-12-2023 (12-12-2023, 11:16 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't think you'll get your wish, friend. Only if someone can explain a single scenario where Dwight matches up better. I wouldn't waste your time though. I won't be convinced. |