(12-12-2023, 12:35 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think Atlanta may be the most aggressive trade partner heading to the trade deadline.  Is Murray a FA this offseason?  I wasn't aware of that.  He appears to be a guy Morey targets. 

Atl is 9-13.  Maybe they get things turned around but they were expecting more. Right now they appear stuck in mid tier with not a lot of options.  They lack the talent to be a contender while also not being one of the next upcoming young teams.

(12-12-2023, 12:43 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Collins wouldn’t be an “all in” move. If we got him and signed a Biyambo/Drummond backup we should feel good about contention status for this year and next. I think Luka and Kai would as well. Not sure we need another star.

Let’s say it doesn’t work out. This year we fall short. Next year the same. At that point we would have expiring Collins and our picks. We could totally go for a big fish with that. Just in time for Luka to sign his extension

On the other hand, if we go all in for a top name this summer and it doesn’t work….we could have no assets and be coming up on a Luka extension with reasons for him to leave.

I don’t think Collins or a player like him is a half measure. I just don’t think we’re far away from contention and not sure the “3 star” model is best, especially with Luka

(12-12-2023, 01:55 PM)omahen Wrote: Kyrie... If he manages to stay "sane" that long

(12-12-2023, 12:43 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Collins wouldn’t be an “all in” move. If we got him and signed a Biyambo/Drummond backup we should feel good about contention status for this year and next. I think Luka and Kai would as well. Not sure we need another star.

Let’s say it doesn’t work out. This year we fall short. Next year the same. At that point we would have expiring Collins and our picks. We could totally go for a big fish with that. Just in time for Luka to sign his extension

On the other hand, if we go all in for a top name this summer and it doesn’t work….we could have no assets and be coming up on a Luka extension with reasons for him to leave.

I don’t think Collins or a player like him is a half measure. I just don’t think we’re far away from contention and not sure the “3 star” model is best, especially with Luka

(12-12-2023, 01:49 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: If the Mavs were to get Collins, he would definitely play small ball 5. Lively gets 28 minutes, probably 14 for Collins and the 6 remaining would be for Maxi (Powell gets the DNPs).
Collins gets to play PF with Maxi at C, so those would be like 20 minutes of Collins without Lively with him.
Collins and DLive would share court time together for 10 if you pencil in Collins at 30 minutes a game.

I think Collins gets his share of PNRs and would only be the corner shooter for 10 minutes a game.

(12-12-2023, 03:08 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Maxi - from celebrated extension to what some posters said would happen.

(12-12-2023, 01:49 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: (Powell gets the DNPs)

(12-12-2023, 03:09 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It’s not over yet. I am nowhere remotely close to regretting his extension.

And, I’d much rather have him on this team than freaking John Collins.

(12-12-2023, 03:11 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: It was over at the time of the extension, you just haven’t caught up yet.

(12-12-2023, 03:18 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: This is overly aggressive and offends me. I guess that was your whole goal, so congratulations. 

I think it’s really shortsighted to give up on Kleber at this point, and it was a very modest extension, anyway. He could’ve never played a game again, and I probably wouldn’t have regretted it that much. Compared to what John Collins is making, I would much rather go on hoping we’ll see a return of healthy Kleber, most because healthy Kleber is what’s needed, not John Collins.

(12-12-2023, 03:33 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: It doesn’t look all that overly aggressive to me, especially considering some of the things you’ve said to me recently, but I do apologize if it does offend you. I think it possibly feels like that to you after I made the addition by subtraction comment about THJ which you and I clearly are on opposite sides of that debate. That clearly got you up in arms considering you’re replying about Collins over Maxi when, if the trade were to happen, Maxi would still be here. I even said I had mixed emotions about doing a Collins trade.

(12-12-2023, 03:41 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: It's called "grace".

(12-12-2023, 03:45 PM)juanc Wrote: https://twitter.com/Ben_Dowsett/status/1727748839392874759

JUANC OUT

(12-12-2023, 03:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah man, I don't get the fascination with that guy. 

When the Mavs were looking for a pick and roll partner for Luka, I was into it. That's not the mission anymore.

(12-12-2023, 03:49 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:

(12-12-2023, 03:49 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:

(12-12-2023, 03:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: This was not that long ago. 

It's possible that he'll never be healthy again, but we don't KNOW that. 

It's possible that he's declined at this point, but we don't KNOW that. 

What the team is missing is Kleber. Seriously, if an idealized Kleber was in the rotation, and by that I mean a plus, versatile defender who can hang on the perimeter, in the post and block shots as a help side defender with a lethal catch-and-shoot game on offense, this team miiiiiight be closer to contention than we all think. 

I do not agree that Collins fills that hole. I think O-Max could, it's just a matter of WHEN. I am fine with hoping Kleber rebounds back to form while we wait for O-Max...at least until someone points me towards a better option.