(11-25-2023, 09:24 AM)omahen Wrote: Patrick Williams is a huge question mark. Chicago trading him for cheap happens only if he is bad or expects unrealistic salary (probably in summer). Or both. I would prefer to go for a more surefire option. One right move and Mavs could become serious. Meh moves, Mavs will remain a class or two below serious contenders.

I think you described DeAndre Hunter very nicely. He looks the part but doesn't really have as much of an impact as one would expect. However, Atlanta is trying to compete, so I am not sure what would convince them to sell their starter to Mavs. I think their goals are more towards bringing in a "third" star next to Trae and Murray.

(11-26-2023, 02:11 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Yeah, I am having trouble finding any workable deals for these type of players.  Ideally you could maybe steal one with a limited asset, but Dallas doesn't really have the contracts or picks that work here.   

I am sort of stuck that the guys I really want may not be available but if they are we would be tough to compete against other teams.  The guys who may be gettable are not guys I would want to use good assets to get.

(11-26-2023, 02:33 PM)youzigizag Wrote: Can you define your definition of good asset?

RealGM TRADES section has a thread dedicated to finding Mavs a tweener wing.   Granted it was two Magic fans chiming in...but they said Chuma Okeke is gettable for cheap...like a 2nd round pick.   They claim he has the size we want plus he plays defense.   Questionable shooter though.

Seems like all the other back and forth convo involved players Mavs would have to overpay for.   Im curious is Okeke is worth anything on the floor to Dallas or its a hard pass for a reason?

There is convo that involves reacquiring DFS.  I dont know how you all feel about that.  Get Caruso and DFS and then get Drummond/Craig for cheap.   I dont know how doable that is.   Just relaying info.   Seems like Mavs are always stuck trying to find a niche player for their system.

(11-26-2023, 02:33 PM)youzigizag Wrote: Can you define your definition of good asset?

RealGM TRADES section has a thread dedicated to finding Mavs a tweener wing.   Granted it was two Magic fans chiming in...but they said Chuma Okeke is gettable for cheap...like a 2nd round pick.   They claim he has the size we want plus he plays defense.   Questionable shooter though.

Seems like all the other back and forth convo involved players Mavs would have to overpay for.   Im curious is Okeke is worth anything on the floor to Dallas or its a hard pass for a reason?

There is convo that involves reacquiring DFS.  I dont know how you all feel about that.  Get Caruso and DFS and then get Drummond/Craig for cheap.   I dont know how doable that is.   Just relaying info.   Seems like Mavs are always stuck trying to find a niche player for their system.

(11-26-2023, 10:13 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: THJ, Hardy, 27 unprotected FRP

For

Caruso, Patrick Williams and Drummond

Bulls likely say no but it’s fun to think about

(11-26-2023, 10:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Bulls say yes so fast your head would spin.

Caruso is great.

Williams is a bust, and missing on him with #4 is a big reason times are tough for Chicago. I was a big fan of his potential, but he hasn’t developed AT ALL since. 

Drummond could help a bit, but…

THJ is the second best player in the deal. Hardy and ‘27 are the two best assets in the deal BY FAR.

This is the type of deal that gets GM’s fired.

(11-27-2023, 04:10 PM)Mike lorenzo Wrote: I hate to say it..but Hardy has no value, let's face it a small guard with a questionable defense that averages 10 minutes per game...maybe you can get an SRP or a mediocre prospect in trouble... It is known that THJ has been available for a long time and here it remains... It was universally seen as a negative contract, this year he is playing well and perhaps due to his declining contract and only one more year.. possibly it is positive, but don't think anyone is giving a FRP unless you are getting bad money.

(11-27-2023, 04:23 PM)mvossman Wrote: Hardy demonstrated that he can create his own offense on decent efficiency at the NBA level in his rookie year.  That is value.  I don't think a slow start in a 13 game sample is enough to change that.  He is only getting 11 minutes per game because this team deep, Kidd is playing tightened rotations and he is not a great fit for what we need.  Does not mean he does not have value.

(11-27-2023, 06:22 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Eh, I'd say he *had* value, and JKidd conspiring with circumstances and Hardy's growing pains are killing that value. 

Definitely don't see him as part of the future. Considering he was supposed to be THJ's replacement, that means that the Mavs' targets have to include scorers, which are of course the most expensive targets.

The Mavs are in a really crappy position right now - lots of potential with our big two and Lively, but lots of holes on the roster, especially in terms of defense. If they trade '27, that mortgages two of the three picks they could send out this summer (iirc) for a significant trade. If they trade THJ, they don't have enough offense. It would take a huge home run trade to justify sending out the '27. 

The excitement of the first few games is starting to wear off, tbqh. It's a long season, and there's still several months until the TDL. I know everyone wants them to make a move now, but let's see how this all plays out. I'd feel a lot better about things if we had a real coach, but at least we have a real GM (between Nico and Lindsay) as seen by the offseason successes, so there's that.

(11-27-2023, 10:52 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Hardy was ass in the summer league too. If you’re going to be a rotation player on a good team, you gotta dominate summer league. Plus his ceiling is basically Jordan Clarkson.

Can’t remember another player in recent Mavs history I would’ve jumped at the chance to sell high on if he had any value last offseason.